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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Oct 11, 2012 20:24:49 GMT -6
I never asked you for an example of emminent domain for private use that you agree with.
I asked for any example of the use of emminent domain that you feel is worthy.
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Post by trappnman on Oct 12, 2012 6:31:03 GMT -6
sure steven- highways, bridges, PUBLIC works
eminent domain for PRIVATE business interest is bogus!
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Oct 12, 2012 8:58:14 GMT -6
Is a steady supply of reasonable oil any less in the public interest than a highway.
Hwy two just north of Rally has an enbridge ROW that runs right alongside of it.
Those lines pump a massive amount of oil and natural gas to the US. I contend those lines are more important than the highway.
As for using emminent domain to build shopping malls and food stores and banks, yes I think its bogus.
How about power lines.
Alot of the major transmission lines were built using emminent domain. I'd wager that there are many people that were hostile to that as well.
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Post by trappnman on Oct 13, 2012 6:31:50 GMT -6
concerning the pipeline- wasnt it the rep gov of several states, that out the kabosh on the pipeline?
why not put the pipline right through towns? after all ,towns use the most gas and oil- put it at their fingertips- cause to me, rangleland and ag land, provide more necessitites than crude
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Oct 13, 2012 7:27:59 GMT -6
without the crude that agland wouldnt provide enough to feed 300 million people.
I dont think people realize just how much oil is used in our everday life and I'm not talking about the product that goes into our tanks.
There are plenty of pipelines running through towns. And not just little ones.
The "kabosh" on that line eventually lied with President Obama.
But in the end it wasnt "kaboshed". Its a go again.
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Post by James on Oct 13, 2012 14:50:53 GMT -6
It kills me that people who protest oil pipelines and drill rigs almost always drive to the protest. . . .
Jim
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Post by thebeav2 on Oct 13, 2012 20:14:06 GMT -6
why not put the pip line right through towns? after all ,towns use the most gas and oil- put it at their fingertips- cause to me, rangleland and ag land, provide more necessitites than crude
It's crude so It has to be sent to refinery before It can be used by the consumer. Do you want a refinery In your town.
Ag land, I don't see where It effects the use of Ag land. In most cases the line Is buried.
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Post by bblwi on Oct 13, 2012 20:44:13 GMT -6
I have worked with over two dozen farmer land owners that had their land condemned and were paid a stipend to have gas pipelines dug and buried on their farms. Sure they get compensated but usually at about the bottom of the going rate and also many especially in our stony clay type soils never fully recovers at least not in 5-15 years in the cases I have worked with. Many are trying to reopen their case to get some more compensation, some do some do not. I have helped video and soil test those areas for the farmers to use to help their case.
As to crude and soil or ag land. If we did not have enough crude we would have LP gas tractors or other fuel etc. to farm the land. It can also depend greatly on where the pipeline goes. Disturbing a thousand miles of semi arid 25-45 bushel wheat land is a different economic impact factor than disturbing 200 bushel corn ground. That may not sound fair but there is a significant difference.
Bryce
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Oct 13, 2012 20:49:29 GMT -6
It doesnt affect ag land in any way gary.
Well maybe if you wanted to cut a ditch over the top of it.
James dont forget they were probably talking on their cellphone on the way there which has many components made out of oil.
If it was cold out and they had on them high tech clothes to stay warm with of course they were made out of oil.
The tooth brush they used that morning was made out of oil. Carpet they walked on was made out of oil.
Maybe had to take some medication that was made out of oil. Its absolutely mind boggling how much our economy and things we take for granted are tied to oil and a cheap and reliable supply at that,.
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Post by C1972 on Oct 14, 2012 8:59:30 GMT -6
It kills me that people who protest oil pipelines and drill rigs almost always drive to the protest. . . . Jim Exactly like a PETA nimrod wearing leather shoes to a protest.
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Post by bblwi on Oct 14, 2012 10:16:20 GMT -6
I bet most of those land owners in the great plains contesting the siting of the pipeline don't vote Democrat or for Obama. It s interesting that I am for development, expansion, growth and to H with the environmental BS but no not on my land, where are the environmental legal firms when I really need them!!! When I worked with land owners that were receiving payments and helped formulate their crop value loss that year or over time and a rotation etc. They were just very glad to use the USDA government numbers to help bolster their case and increase their reward claims even though they voted against most of them every chance they could and complained about the socialistic, liberal progressives and their big governments. About 99.999999 % of the rules and details for commodity price structure in the USDA farm bill has been written by GOP appointed red state big commodity states but they claim little ownership for that even though their farm organization was directed by them to lobby hard for those figures. Bryce
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Oct 14, 2012 10:28:15 GMT -6
I get ya there bryce.
We have a gentleman running for US representative in the southern part of the state who has received about 600 grand in farm payments.
He blamed it on his foe for allowing those programs to be available. Wasnt his fault he took advantage of it. Only good business ya know lol.
According to the same gentleman the only part of the farm bill he thought was necessary for reform was the food stamp part.
LP gas tractors Bryce?
You do know what approximately 40 percent of the world supply of LP is derived from.
Or maybe NG? That is run down them same piplelines that run through your farmers property if its Enbridge.
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Post by bblwi on Oct 14, 2012 10:40:39 GMT -6
At the current World's demand for commodities there would be a fuel to farm the land. It may be twice as expensive but it would be used. That may lower land prices some as there would be more monies needed for fuel. It is the same we see to somewhat of an extent in the general economy. If fuel, food and health care cost more and wages are flat then there is less money for housing, and other things. Our problem is or was we just kept borrowing against our house equity even though it was already gone before we knew it. We mortgaged over valued property with high risk low cost loans to pay off credit cards used to purchase consumables that had no long term asset value or accumulation. Not much different than the overweight, lethargic, 2 pack a day smoker and the 1 quart of vodka guy asking the cardiologist about the new heart and how much better he would be with that then the current one he has that he as ruined.
Bryce
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Oct 14, 2012 10:52:12 GMT -6
Yes bryce, but its not only fuel.
How much would the price of those new fancy tractors and combines with rubber type tracks and all the plastic and fiber glass on them go up without a cheap enough and reliable enough price of fuel.
Than whats gonna happen when the inputs costs are so insane that one year will break them? Do you think the public is going to keep carrying that bill?
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