defend or denounce bmps

[trappincoyotes39]

who stated the 1.5 as inhumane? No one period. It didn't meet the criteria for the BMP's doesn't make it inhumane at all. Those are your words not anyone else's. Any trap that didn't pass and there are some for coyotes that didn't as well, doesn't make any of them in humane just means they didn't pass the standards set forth. There isn't a black ball list of traps.

Canada standards are different than the US can't compair the two and draw any conclusions. If "your" state tries to make changes then it is up to you and your trappers orgs to see to it they don't happen, always the way it worked before the BMP's correct? Anyone can bring up legislation and ballot votes it is up to the majority.

[trappnman]

you call it potatooo i call it potatoe.............

[bob brennan]

my question is do you tc39 follow the bmp recomendations on your line? I have not yet been afected by the bmps but I expect to at some point and as far as canadian trap standards versus bmps I see them as the same just my opinion. what we need more than trap standards is for people to know and use proper methods without being limited and forced in most cases when there have been problems there has either been a law broken or bad judgement used. a lot of problems with the body grip type traps have been caused by free roaming dogs or trappers tresspassing or setting them irresponsibly that doesnt make them a bad trap, just as setting a trap for coon in the middle of a rye field does not make a foot hold trap a poor choice for coon!

[trappincoyotes39]

The BMP's have little to nothing to do with kill type size restreictions. No trap is a bad trap, it is all in the context and presumption of the people. Always has been that way years prior to the BMP's!!!!

The BMP's where not set forth because of issues in the US or CA they where put into place because of presumption and greed abroad!!!! The benefit is seen by our general public that we are willing to test and show traps can be welfare minded, we do that with the data. Some used to think the only alternative was rubber jawed traps, sounds good doesn't it? Well the coyote BMP's proved that the laminated traps are as good and some better than a padded pacifier victor! I call that a true break through in swaying peoples minds.

My coyote traps I use all passed the BMP protocols. So yes I use them because they work and work darn well. New that prior to testing in most cases was surpised at the coyote cuff 33 not making the grade for testing though.

Coons No I still use 1.5 coils because they work and work well, still have chewing though, just because they didn't pass the standards set forth doesn't make them a BAD trap, we could change standards and make big changes to what passes, that isn't the point! The standard was set and that is what is tested. I am going to order jaw guards soon and weld them on and for shittes and giggles next year try them on dry ground to see what comes of it. I have a few ideas to try. I will see if I loose any efficantcy from them or not with my ideas.

[trappnman]

but it does make them a bad trap in the eyes of the bmps

wasn't the goal of the bmps, to develop humane use of traps?

failing traps, by default, become inhumane

I'll save you inventing the wheel TC- double jaw traps, if a true double jaw, are terrible in dirt.

1.5s just don't have the power to bring them up through cold dirt-

as a fyi- when trapping otter, I used double jaws a loto n land for otter- and found that even though they were a power double long spring (sleepy creeks, #11)- and i found with otter, you didn't have to cover them on land. my point isn't the otter, but the amount of coon I caught in trail sets with uncovered traps, just tight guiding. In that instance, and in water, double jaws have no problem with me. just in dirtholes do I find them lacking, and I like a 1 trap fits all.

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman not inhumane, there is more to the BMP's than just welfare scores! Efficiency,safety, and practicality are the other 3 areas of testing. The goal is to see the further development of better traps and we have seen that through the years, then tested and see if they perform to standards. If not no one I know calls them inhumane, some by adding this or that become traps that pas the standards. The US has fullfilled it's agreement with the EU with our testing as is. It also has found favor with state agencies and the general public. The "act" to explore and test in itself is seen as a positive.

Not inhumane by default at all, becuase if we moved the scores around we could get more to pass standards or raise higher and more not passing standards. Again they state recommendations and guidlines, many times in the litature.

Tman my ideas are to use 1.75 springs and some #2 music wire on them and weld on RK's jaws to them and cover them like a standard 1.5 and see the end results. What do we do when we add weight to a bigger coyote trap thru lamination? We add spring rate. I want to see how it works.