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Post by freepop on Jul 13, 2010 9:00:22 GMT -6
The problem Is that this Is a lab test and this deflection was determined by a steady pressure being applied to the base of the trap or to the jaws and can't be recreated under actual field conditions with coyotes doing the pulling. Load is load, doesn't matter if it's a snake, ardvark, possum or an elephant.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 13, 2010 9:53:49 GMT -6
nothing to do with the thread,and honestly just a joke so don`t get mad as no anything inrtended, just repeating a funny. I glance at post and my eyes saw a post by "freepoop". now you have to admit that is funny. anyway, I agree matters not if the load is steady, hard, fast ,or slow. it is what is.
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Post by freepop on Jul 13, 2010 11:16:53 GMT -6
You can pay for it if you want Bob or I'll trade you for some pee I should clarify a little Beav. I came from the shop floor into the Engineering Department. I have worked in many places and on many things all my life. I try to remember the real world is always dynamic and in constant change. But that doesn't mean you can't take a snapshot in time and examine it, then apply it to real world applications.
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Post by calvin on Jul 13, 2010 11:25:43 GMT -6
But can one duplicate the different angles a coyotes pull presents on a trap in a shop?. Different angles stress different parts of the trap, I/d assume.
Never had a jaw pop, either. Short chains and tips up. Even on some old ratty/rusted 80s vintage 1.75s. I can bet the shrapnel from these old traps would probably kill a guy a mile away if they were long chained.
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Post by freepop on Jul 13, 2010 11:57:41 GMT -6
But can one duplicate the different angles a coyotes pull presents on a trap in a shop?. Different angles stress different parts of the trap, I/d assume. The possibilities are only limited do to knowledge and/or imagination, IMO.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 13, 2010 12:03:50 GMT -6
there is only one direction a CAN pull, the direct opposite of the anchor, or chain unless the base of the trap is welded to a rr track.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Jul 13, 2010 14:39:28 GMT -6
The only time I've had jaws pulled out is with lions. Can't say I've ever seen anything smaller do it.
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Post by musher on Jul 13, 2010 14:59:26 GMT -6
I had a deer pop an old victor coil once. I've had traps popped by wolves. One time I had a wolf dislodge the springs on a sterling. It could have been lucky chewing. The jaws did not pop. They opened.
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Post by Wright Brothers on Jul 13, 2010 15:29:12 GMT -6
Me neither on the blown traps, have heard a lot "say" they have.
Even the ones that get run over I straighten out. I have an experienced hammer though. I take that back, tractors and cast jaws don't go together well.
You guys posting that engineering stuff, I for one read it all. I rank that in "the good stuff". I always thought that the trap design that has the softest springs and holds the target is the trap I want. And from where I sit, you guys are aiming to that as well as other great learning. I can relate to a bunch of that info. The computer would have been great in the day I was testing race engine induction/flow.
When a guy once told me my chains were too light, I later hooked one up to the truck, the J-hook is what failed first. Redneck engineering.
Sure proposed not always the same as actual, but hey, all learning tools should be used.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 13, 2010 15:41:15 GMT -6
that is the non understanding of softcatch. they don`t hold by strength ,and 4 coiling one is just not nescessary at all unless it is just worn out.
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Post by freepop on Jul 13, 2010 16:20:26 GMT -6
Never had popped jaws yet and prople are amazed that my bone stock Dukes haven't done it on the 40+ pounders. Don't have a hundred under my belt either. Had a excavator run over a 1 3/4 Sleepy and I was able to get it bent back in shape to catch a couple.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 13, 2010 19:40:07 GMT -6
;D :- Bob the directional force all depends on where you attach the chain to, change that and you change the force on the base plate and jaws. End hook up versus a center hook up. Shock spring versus no shock spring. Like snares and bads and kill springs it takes more force to open a bad with a kill spring (shocker absorber) than it does without one.
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Post by mickm on Jul 13, 2010 23:40:15 GMT -6
So TC, are you saying that you like beefed up traps with long chains and shock springs?
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 14, 2010 4:42:29 GMT -6
tc you keep saying the same stuff over, or what someone else just said. like the force is from where the chain is attached.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 14, 2010 5:28:45 GMT -6
Oh Bob,Bob,Bob................................................................
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Post by freepop on Jul 14, 2010 6:22:08 GMT -6
Should clarify that I have had dogs bent and one removed.
I agree with Bob, straight line pull between two points. The only thing that may differ is if the chain got around the cross frame but it never seems to stay that way long.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 14, 2010 6:31:32 GMT -6
not with short chains!
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