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Post by bobwendt on Jul 10, 2010 9:03:35 GMT -6
no , I`d have more weight, giving more foot damage, and more trap expense. I weigh out the options and go with what is the best result. there are no perfect results ever, so it is all relative to the best result. all business descisions. just business. you know, bmp
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 10, 2010 9:08:05 GMT -6
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 10, 2010 9:38:14 GMT -6
a bobcat, great big tom if my memory serves me right. I set that set every year and caught everything from cats to coyotes to coon, skunk, possum and porkys. why would I have anything tested? you paying the bill? I get $4 each for those heads. 9 heads in a flat rate box is $36 plus $15.20 shipping. send me a ck and you can get them tested or aged whatever. you want the time you need to choke up the dime. and yes I do defy YOUR science and YOUR logic. and it just frys you! it is what it is, even if you fail to understand or believe others can accomplish what you aparently have failed to do. that just is not my problem.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 10, 2010 10:37:46 GMT -6
it is what it is, even if you fail to understand or believe others can accomplish what you aparently have failed to do. that just is not my problem. [/]
right on!
my new signature
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 10, 2010 10:42:34 GMT -6
Bob we can debate but your still always welcome in my home and come out here trapping in anytime, I will have you alot of ground setup and youi can stay here, and I would like to see you walk the talk in person sometime!!!!! Taking abreak and just going back to killin coyotes for awhile and spending time with the family instead of on here. Take care I'll be back at some point so don't get to comfortable with the smack LOL. Bob your coyote aging is way off that is what it is. I will give you 5.00 for each coyote skull intact and test them each, those over 9 years of age nets you 100.00. Each one that does not you owe me a 100.00 what do you say? It isn't my science Bob. Tooth aging is pretty accurate Bob FWIW I pulled out a study in an area of low pressure and hard access ground and they went for 5 years and look at 960 coyotes and aged them all buy their teeth 75% of that population was under 3.5 years of age, out of those 5 years what % made it past this? they had 1 year where .4% thats right .4 % made it to see 9.5 years of age that means 4.8 coyotes made it to 9.5 years in 960 coyotes and the other 4 years 8.5 years and older 0.0%. This was low pressure area and harder access, not easier access and a ton of pressure where if that is the case you would see more havrest and more opportunity for those older coyotes to come in contact with a device of capture. Meaning send those heads BOB, and a big fat check because for each 960 skulls you send your getting 100.00 each on 4.8 coyotes and I get the 100.00 each for all of those under heck I;ll round it up for you to an even 5 coyotes Bob. What you say on all those old snaggle tooths at 10-15 years old? I guess then you can proove I know nothing and don't beleive i what others can do, not to mention I will be able to buy me a new house Bob you can call it junk science but tooth aging has been proven many times over, so what you say? I'm willing to gamble on the odds of science are you willing to gamble on your experiance at aging coyotes?
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 10, 2010 20:54:19 GMT -6
no you mail mera ck for the heads, then I mail you the heads. that is how it works. money for heads. no games, you want old heads, I sell them. I have no clue where you got this 9.5 year figure. all I said was so old they hade nio front teeth top or bottom. fangs either needles or nub, molars all rounded. that`s old. no idea if 9.5 years. might be 15 years! but for sure not 1-2-3-4-5 or anything like that at all. old, frigging old, what else you want o know. you want to test them,. you test them, but it`s goinmg to cost you $4 each and 9 heads minimum to fil a $15.20 flat rate box.
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Post by freepop on Jul 11, 2010 13:50:16 GMT -6
SDfoxtrapper, the base plate will only bend so much unitl it comes in contact with the jaws. At that point, both jaws and the base plate have to bend as one.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 11, 2010 14:21:38 GMT -6
I think that is how jaws pop. one bends and the other doesn`t, or does better said. another reason for short chains, they can`t get a 3 foot ( really 6 foot) run and lunge on 8". and then with 8" no need for the shock spring or the base plate or the 4 coil. kind of like too easy to remedy all these issues . eh?
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Post by freepop on Jul 11, 2010 16:35:07 GMT -6
From a mechanical view, less chain equals less speed thus less impact shock and less load. I still can't get my mind around long chains being a good idea unless on drags. Of course I'm an inexperienced idiot with much to learn in the trapping world.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 11, 2010 17:00:55 GMT -6
you` re on the right road pop. the long chain guys are the one on the dead end alley. lol, the blind alley
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Post by ohiyotee on Jul 11, 2010 21:52:56 GMT -6
i have found that a long chain lets an animal have the freedom to get comfortable , to find a position to let their body relax and that fact it seems is a positive for foot preservation.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 12, 2010 1:00:31 GMT -6
get comfortsble? ?? the old finger in the car door next to a chair deal? keep a guy from dragging that car around to get to a chair?
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Post by trappnman on Jul 12, 2010 6:07:27 GMT -6
I've had many, many coyotes, coon etc curled up and sleeping with short chains.
There IS no wrong or right answer-
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Post by ohioandy on Jul 12, 2010 10:21:09 GMT -6
SDFoxtrapper "The 0.090" frame deflects 0.091" while the 0.34" (0.090 frame + 0.25 baseplate) deflects only 0.0017" so there is more deflection in the frame in the stock condition. "
To put 0.090" in perspective... that is less than 3/32". It is actually more than i expecteed for a non-base plated trap. I was expecting more along the lines of 1/16".
Excellent graphics SDFoxtrapper.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 12, 2010 10:42:48 GMT -6
I was impressed with that info also. real pro trapper type info. the kind of thing I gain from this site. most other stuff is just b.s. ing with each other and opinions at best.
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Post by freepop on Jul 12, 2010 17:47:51 GMT -6
I was impressed with that info also. real pro trapper type info. the kind of thing I gain from this site. most other stuff is just b.s. ing with each other and opinions at best. and there were several that though it was a total waste of time as everything has already been invented/explored. Good thing Ford, Bell and Edison, Wright Brothers didn't think that way. Of course I new what info was going to be derived and the pictures you can get.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 12, 2010 18:05:26 GMT -6
my field experience corroborateed what he said, but nice to know why exactly in scientific terms.
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Post by freepop on Jul 12, 2010 18:22:45 GMT -6
I wasn't poking at you Bob, I hope you knew that.
The more I think of it, if a trap is baseplated, it could very well be easier for it to pop the jaws. If the jaws bend and the base bend at a relatively even rate then the jaws can't pop out. But, if the base is stiffer and the jaws are weaker, it is easy to understand the jaws popping out.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 12, 2010 18:51:08 GMT -6
The problem Is that this Is a lab test and this deflection was determined by a steady pressure being applied to the base of the trap or to the jaws and can't be recreated under actual field conditions with coyotes doing the pulling.
Turn up the jaw tips or laminate the jaws like most of us do and the whole thing Is a moot point. I have NEVER had the jaws pulled out of a trap.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 12, 2010 19:29:26 GMT -6
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