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Post by GaTrapper on Jun 18, 2010 18:27:15 GMT -6
Here is another question about coffee filters.
*Say it rains and then freezes. Wouldn't a frozen filter that has soaked itself to your trap alter its ability to fire?
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Post by thebeav2 on Jun 18, 2010 20:46:37 GMT -6
If you have those types of conditions then your going to have to re make the set anyway. Unless of coarse your using waxed dirt or waxed sand. The waxed covering will In most cases shed water like a ducks back.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 19, 2010 11:33:54 GMT -6
No it won't be the filter cuasing issues in wet/frozen conditions it will be the covering each time, even waxed dirt that takes a decent rain event and you get below 32 with get crusty and again won't be the filter handing the trap up.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jun 19, 2010 17:28:20 GMT -6
That's true on traps with a larger jaw spread. But they will cost you fur If you use them on #2 sized traps and smaller.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 19, 2010 20:20:21 GMT -6
I say the same goes for even larger traps, IMO too much of a kill area for long legged coyotes ain't a good thing!!!! Many use them on montanas but when you compair jaw sizes they are closer to most other brands #2 jaw spread than a #3 jaw spread. Each to his own.
Guide them and don't worry about kill area is my line of thought and I get good results that way.
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Post by GaTrapper on Jun 19, 2010 20:30:46 GMT -6
Off Topic, but TC39 would you mind post some pictures of the coyote trapping rigs if that isn't to much to ask. Im really interested on how you run your traps.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 19, 2010 21:11:08 GMT -6
I have 2 traps I use these and sterlings, sterlings are my favorite traps. I just received some jakes going to test them and see how they compair to my sterlings and modifed bridgers. Sterlings get run stock, except I'm switching more over to JC conners shock springs. Bridger #3 with PIT pans. Sterllng mj600 stock
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 19, 2010 21:11:55 GMT -6
notice 100% lockup with sterlings that coyote isn;t going anywhere. Even on double foot location catches 100% I can't complain about the bridgers either and the PIT pans make them better IMO.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 19, 2010 21:25:39 GMT -6
notice where a coyotes foot is when the jaws are closed in relation to the pans. I just don't see the need for adding kill area with guiding, I found far more toe catches with screen years back, then I guided the foot and saw no advantage to screen once I guided, so why go thru the hassle is my thought process, screen didn;t add anything to it and I found non guided screened traps led to catches not as deep.
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Post by GaTrapper on Jun 19, 2010 21:36:56 GMT -6
I appreciate the posts. I think Im sold on the coffee filters after reading what you and several folks had to say.
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Post by trappnman on Jun 20, 2010 7:18:15 GMT -6
guide AND use screens- best of both worlds
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 20, 2010 8:20:28 GMT -6
Tman if you guiding the what advantage do you see from the screen? I don't want to spend time cutting up screen and more time at the set if it adds nothing, I conceed some like the idea of screen but has it added coyotes even though your guiding the foot?
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Post by 17HMR on Jun 20, 2010 8:29:38 GMT -6
I think there is a little misconception on screens, contrary to popular belief it only enlarges the pan size from 1/4 to 3/8 of an inch more and not every toe nail inside the jaws will not fire the trap.
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Post by trappnman on Jun 20, 2010 8:43:50 GMT -6
Yes TC, those that use screens on bigger traps, have convinced me you miss some coyotes by not using screens. I myself, can see the occasional track in the pattern, and the bigger the trap, the more thats going to occur. My thohgut whne staying a long time, it doesn't matter- you will get him next time or perhaps hes sitting down the road-
but with run and gun, I want every coyote tonight- not tomorrow, cause I might not be there tomorrow.
I know you like the filters, others like wax paper, etc.... there is no right or wrong way- if it keeps dirt out from under the pan, they are doing the only job they have. Most times, a pan cover isn;t even needed- In coon sets, I don't even bother to put anything over or under the pan.
to me, I see no need for a pan cover, unless it does something else- if all I want is to keep airspace under a pan, for me, like the filters are for you, you can stop looking once you use polyfil.
as I've said, I've gone back and forth, would have never stopped using screens except for previously mentioned reasons-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 20, 2010 8:56:27 GMT -6
polyfill and rodents in this country bad deal, tried it and had digging.
Each to his own but I can't honestly remember the last time I had a coyote track in a pattern that didn't trip the trap. I had veryn few that took one step just outside the jaw or right on a jaw, but not inside 50% or better . Guiding is darn good to me.
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Post by trappnman on Jun 20, 2010 9:30:26 GMT -6
not talking more than a very few- but wouldn't those very few, have been there in the m orning w/screen?
God knows we have enough mice. other small rodents here- my 2 weasal boxes, were starting to look like a mouse graveyeard inside- but the only digging I ever had with poly, is by coyotes w/ contaminated poly. most people that have tried poly and didn't like it, would be shocked at how little is needed to accomplish the purpose-
why would a rodent, dig up a scant amount of poly under a pan? What would alert him that its there?
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Post by ChrisM on Jun 20, 2010 10:03:04 GMT -6
"so am I correct in saying that using screen increases your kill zone. in other words, wherever they step on the screen, it will trip the pan because it is stiff?"
No, thats not correct at all. Screens doesn't make the entire are inside the jaws a pan, nor do they cause toe catches if used properly on the larger traps.
Use screen AND guide, best of both worlds!
Obviously the correct answer. Carry on
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Post by trappnman on Jun 20, 2010 10:56:13 GMT -6
Screens doesn't make the entire are inside the jaws a pan
I'm not disagreeing, but am asking why? I thought the main purpose of a stiff screen, was just that? I know the ones that I've bought from John, and those sent to me as examples, are pretty much the size of the inside of the jaws-
if not for increased kill area, and just a pan cover, why make them much bigger than then pan?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 20, 2010 10:58:52 GMT -6
I would say depends on 2 things pan tension and how stiff of screen your using lower the pan tension and increase stiffness of screen and you have to be adding to the kill area correct?
OG advertises is black as stiff screen couple that with 2lbs or less of pan tension and what results should one expect on the outer edges of the screen in relation to the trap firing??? Those tucking it under the loose jaw and pulling tight has to add the the kill area would it not??? Your extending the pan with the use of stiff screen are you not???
Come on Chris, don't leave us hangin I would like your imput and thoughts. I'm gettin older but still willin to learn.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Jun 21, 2010 19:29:39 GMT -6
What a lot of people dont realize is that there is 2 grades of aluminun screen. Lowes carries a heavier one. I found out long ago that fiberglass carries oders for a long time.
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