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Post by robertw on Jun 1, 2010 12:20:18 GMT -6
I don't use a coyote trap that doesn't have an offset (same with bobcats).
I am also talking about REAL offsets, not some welded lug that just holds the trap levers down!
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Post by robertw on Jun 1, 2010 12:23:58 GMT -6
Using "true" offset jaws I hold a majority (over 80%) of the mountain lions that I catch in my coyote traps and almost all black bears up to 200 pounds.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 1, 2010 12:33:41 GMT -6
Tman with a good offset trap there is more room for the coyotes foot when yout talking powered up traps. I have sterlings and coyote cuffs with coyote/cat offsets they do give more room I have no doubt as even with a full pad catch the levers are always in the locked position I can't say that using a standard reg jaw trap or any sheared offsets, the levers don't ride as high or in that locked position.
Again a good offset trap IMO is far better than a reg jaw trap for coyotes and cats, less cutting and holds the foot in position, no movement between the jaws of a GOOD powered offset jawed trap.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 1, 2010 13:38:27 GMT -6
Notice where the wire levers are on this double leg catch! This is where the proper sized offset and the power to work with it shines, I have caught a few coyotes in this manner in traps of this style. the lvers are 100% locked up!
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Post by robertw on Jun 1, 2010 14:09:48 GMT -6
Wright Brothers, pm sent to not derail the subject of this thread.
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Post by CoonDuke on Jun 2, 2010 8:29:22 GMT -6
Full closure on the whole paw with a stock 3/16" offset. Pretty amazing how much that foot compresses.
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Post by trappnman on Jun 2, 2010 9:30:42 GMT -6
that a 3/16 offset, is useless insofar as stopping compression
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 2, 2010 15:03:29 GMT -6
in away yes Tman, but they do allow the levers to ride higher than a straight jawed trap. Plus your using full benefit of the springs when they lock up, so even this is still better than a reg jaw for holding ability.
As stated though a larger offset with more power is even better yet! You have more holding ability because you can add more power and you help that with a wider jaw.
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Post by scott kimball on Jun 2, 2010 17:33:44 GMT -6
quick question:why does the topic of "toe catches" come up in this conversation, when a offset is discussed.As i thought that the reason for a offset was for live market and/or foot conditions.A good percentage of "toe caught" animals experience some foot damage.The wider the offset the more foot movement can be obtained.
This is a good thread by the way.
Scott
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Post by Stef on Jun 2, 2010 18:24:10 GMT -6
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Post by Stef on Jun 2, 2010 18:27:15 GMT -6
Little 3/16th OS on a old Victor
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Post by Stef on Jun 2, 2010 18:33:06 GMT -6
On my hand, a footsnare or a snare mark "escape". Bottom, only wax mark on paw and no damaged with laminated thick jaws and OS.
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Post by Stef on Jun 2, 2010 18:38:37 GMT -6
But a lugged offset Montana can get the job done like with this 60lb coyote. Nick, check the foot size comparison of your coyote compared to this monster
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Post by Stef on Jun 2, 2010 18:40:11 GMT -6
Z's trap he had for sale a while ago in PA...Nice!
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Post by Stef on Jun 2, 2010 18:44:31 GMT -6
And a lugged offset Montana #3 modified could hold this 75lb wolf. good night!
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Post by CoonDuke on Jun 2, 2010 18:50:16 GMT -6
1080...red fox do it too!
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Post by CoonDuke on Jun 2, 2010 18:58:29 GMT -6
Here's some examples of little traps with a 3/16" offset and toe caught coyotes. Full closure and the toe bone is protected in the offset gap.
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Post by Stef on Jun 2, 2010 19:09:59 GMT -6
coonduke, red fox can be caught by other places ;D
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Post by Stef on Jun 2, 2010 19:11:25 GMT -6
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Post by CoonDuke on Jun 2, 2010 19:21:57 GMT -6
And sometimes you catch them deep... And sometimes they will chew their foot like a coon... And, yes, sometimes you even get them like this... I hate them like this... But my favorite way is like this...
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