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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 5, 2010 15:03:19 GMT -6
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Post by Bristleback on May 6, 2010 7:16:23 GMT -6
SWEET! Someday.
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Post by rk660 on May 6, 2010 11:43:28 GMT -6
looks like that guy needs more practice with his handgun. Looked like he flat out missed at 5 yards.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 6, 2010 14:25:42 GMT -6
RK I think that cat was hit several times the problem being many want to keep the skulls from there cats for various reasons, so when body shooting these large critters with a pistol bullet selection is very crucial. You need a bullet that will expand and generate alot of force for quick kills, I think either a better bullet was needed or like I said a load of 4 buck at close range would have laid that cat out cold. Head shots and body shots different on these large cats.
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Post by thebeav2 on May 6, 2010 14:49:01 GMT -6
Remeber RK when the pucker string Is pulled up tight things can go wrong Must have had some hearing loss from shooting In the shaft
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Post by makete on May 6, 2010 15:58:28 GMT -6
When the cat was on the ledge, after the cave, looked to me that he missed twice and only hit it once.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 6, 2010 16:42:58 GMT -6
the issue is with a shotgun and 4 buck or a good pistol bullet, the cat would have never made it out of the cave to begin with. I know of some shot in a tree less than 20 yrds with a .40 cal but you select the wrong bullet and they fall and take off again. Cheap target ammo isn't meant for big game! All you get is a pencil hole effect, proper bullet selection is key to anchoring any game. from coyotes to moose and all in between.
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Post by Forrest London® on May 6, 2010 18:32:45 GMT -6
I work with Mt. Lions everyday and I have to say they have some huge kahoonas to follow that big cat into the mine. That said It was quite a careless act that could have went horribly wrong with a injured cornered animal of that caliber.. Made for a interesting video though...
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Post by Stanley on May 6, 2010 18:56:11 GMT -6
What a adventure Goes too show you, that the Dogs we smarter then the Men. One Dog says to the other,"lets let the Men go in and flush it out for us. Then we'll have a another good chase, bay the cat up. They will love us for it. LOL" I've been in on close quarter with Black Bears. Very interesting it is. Had one Bear treed. We're at the bottom of the tree, attempting to leash the Dogs up. Bear decides, heck with this and comes barreling. down the tree. Bear jumps out of the tree over our heads and takes off. With 1/2 the pack on it's ars. Interesting it was. STANLEY
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 6, 2010 19:36:06 GMT -6
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Post by furman on May 6, 2010 19:39:51 GMT -6
I'm sure there in a cage
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Post by Forrest London® on May 6, 2010 20:52:16 GMT -6
Yeah Buddy runs a zoo Lot of big cats... I help handle, feed, clean, etc etc. Currently have 4 Mt.Lions. Had to break up a near fatal fight today, tried to introduce a large tom to a young female and she was not receptive and things got bad quick! A little bear spray and a high pressure hose got things settled down and the tom back in his enclosure...
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Post by robertw on May 6, 2010 22:42:47 GMT -6
Nothing in that video creates a pucker factor. That lion never came for those guys (at least not that I was able to see, my computer played it in segments). Lions on drags waiting for the trapper working the drag trail tracking are a lot more interesting than shooting a lion in a cave.
Almost everyone that has caught any number of mtn lions has had aggresive lions pull off a toe or pop the jaws out of a trap when trying to get at the trapper.
Those guys in the video should have been lion scat on the side of the mountain no better than they could shoot.
When chest shooting mtn lions you should intentionally be shooting double and triple taps, with any luck at least one of those shots will be a head on frontal chest shot then multiple body shots through the side of the chest.
Head shots on mtn lions are a very chancy thing with lighter weight bullets, on the bigger mtn lions you have a full two inches of muscle protecting the cranium and the skull is rounded making it very easy to deflect a bullet and not get penetration to the brain.
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Post by robertw on May 6, 2010 22:51:44 GMT -6
Bill Applegate give the best advice of any that I have ever heard, shoot first THEN take the pictures afterward.
I caught mtn lion two years ago in front of a trail camera. This lion paused and rested once for 20 minutes during the 13 hours it was in the trap. It fought the trap continously for THIRTEEN HOURS except for that one twenty minute rest. How many other animals can fight continously and so aggressively for 13 hours?
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Post by thebeav2 on May 7, 2010 6:37:29 GMT -6
Well for a 1st time rookie lion shooter entering Into a cave/mine shaft I think the pucker factor would come Into play. When he looked around that corner the shooter had no idea what that cat was or wasn't going to do. Being closed up In confined quarters will always give you that pucker factor. Unless of coarse your that big bad professional lion killer that does It every day and twice on week ends.
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Post by SteveCraig on May 7, 2010 7:48:03 GMT -6
Guys, They are just big old pussycats. I have put them up small bushes, small junipers, etc, and just climb up with them and pull on their tails, getting them to snarl and growl and hiss, and you can get some pretty good pics this way. I have seen them shot with 22 Centerfires, to 300 Win. Mags. When hit in the boiler room, or head, they drop like a rock. Shot placement is everything. Dead frontal shots are a huge no-no. No room for error. Most times you end up hitting the front edge of the shoulder with no penetration into the chest. Handguns, always have a HEAVY hunting load with HEAVY bullets. A shotgun with #4 Buck at close range would be excellent, however that is not a legal caliber here in AZ. All lions must be taken with Centerfire rifle or handgun. Rule of thumb......always use the biggest caliber you can shoot well. Better to have more power than you need. My good friend Gerry Blair has taken several with 22-250, as have many of my clients. But all shots were where they were supposed to be. Boiler room. The lion in this pic was shot by one of my students with a 223. , that was called into the stand. He only went a few yards. Attachments:
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Post by northof50 on May 7, 2010 15:28:00 GMT -6
Robert Wrote; Head shots on mtn lions are a very chancy thing with lighter weight bullets, on the bigger mtn lions you have a full two inches of muscle protecting the cranium and the skull is rounded making it very easy to deflect a bullet and not get penetration to the brain. During the 1930 depression my dad would go out with his brothers and hunt good old pussy cats in the back lanes with 22 shorts, then sell the hides for tanning...... put himself through Dental colledge with that money, He always said never shoot a cat in the temple because of the cramium arrangement of the bone plates defflects forward shots. There fore that tale of a cat with nine lives. So is not shooting in a cave the same as a inside a truck..... a little hard on your ear drum after the trigger is pulled?
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Post by robertw on May 7, 2010 17:17:57 GMT -6
Northof50, Shooting a pussy cat isn't the same thing as shooting a lion with a 22. All of my mtn lions were killed with 22 LRs.
Shooting a mtn lion in a cave is no worse than climbing inside of a hollw tree to shoot coons, all the same as the same weapon.
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Post by trappnman on May 7, 2010 18:00:06 GMT -6
or in a culvert...............
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on May 7, 2010 18:10:35 GMT -6
Sent a dog in a 2 foot culvert once in early december after what I thought would be a coon and posted on the other end.
Bear came out right under my nose. I kinda puckered a bit.
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