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Post by FWS on Jun 10, 2009 8:26:10 GMT -6
CANADA'S FUR TRADE GONE.New York Times October 17, 1884, Wednesday The Indians used only to kill such buffaloes as they could use, and did what they could to protect the herds; but ever since the prairies of the Northwest have been crossed by railways two causes have led to the extermination of the buffalo--the occupation of their grazing grounds..... Full article
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Post by FWS on Jun 10, 2009 8:34:07 GMT -6
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Post by 17HMR on Jun 10, 2009 8:34:49 GMT -6
Look, to me like a beaver is worth the same today as 1884. LOL
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Post by FWS on Jun 10, 2009 8:37:36 GMT -6
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Post by FWS on Jun 10, 2009 8:41:09 GMT -6
For all who pine for the good ol' days, they're back !!!!!! I'd say a trapper today can catch a Hell of a lot more beaver than anyone operating in the 1800's though. You just can't trade a plew for a 15 year old Indian girl and a keg of tobacco anymore
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Post by FWS on Jun 10, 2009 8:45:53 GMT -6
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Post by 17HMR on Jun 10, 2009 8:46:10 GMT -6
All good articles! They have bee putting the spin on the market for a long time!
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Post by FWS on Jun 10, 2009 8:51:20 GMT -6
PRESIDENT HUNTS WOLVES---3 KILLED; Leads Procession of Riders in Chase from Oklahoma Camp. NO GUNS USED BY THE PARTY People of Newcastle, Col., Plan Novel Parade to Start Hunt After a Caged Bear.New York Times April 11, 1905, Tuesday FREDERICK, Oklahoma, April 10. -- President Roosevelt's wolf hunt began early this morning at Camp Roosevelt, eighteen miles southeast of here. A pack of forty dogs, under direction of John Abernathy, a wolf killer, chased the game. Three wolves were killed before the dinner, the President being always ahead of the procession of riders. [ END OF FIRST PARAGRAPH ] View full article
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Post by redeagle on Jun 10, 2009 9:12:06 GMT -6
"The Indians used only to kill such buffaloes as they could use, and did what they could to protect the herds;"
This statement is a romanticized pile of bull!!! Indians used to run huge herds of hundreds of buffaloes off cliffs, killing the whole herd, and then they would only use those few on the top of the pile. Sometimes, they would only save the tongues. This myth of the Indian being a conservationist is a fallacy. Indian tribes would set up camp in an area, decimate the animal population there, and then move their entire village on to another area where the game hadn't been hunted in awhile. They hunted year round- not just during prescribed "seasons." They would clean a place out and then move on. Why else would they be such a nomadic people? Indians who lived in permanent cities, such as Cahokia and Mesa Verde, relied more and more on agriculture and trade as their cities grew, and they would have to send out hunting parties into extended areas to find meat as they decimated the game that was originally found around their cities. Many Indians still have this mentality today. I had an Air Force buddy living near Kinnear, WY back in the 80s, and he told me how a small herd of 15 elk came down from the higher elevations onto the Wind River Indian Reservation. He said that the Indian riflemen there went out and shot the whole herd! That doesn't sound like a good conservation practice to me.
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Post by trappnman on Jun 10, 2009 9:13:49 GMT -6
good articles indeed- thanks for taking time to post them
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Post by FWS on Jun 10, 2009 9:16:24 GMT -6
Funny thing about that though Redeagle is that bison persisted for centuries under native harvests. But whitey decimated the herds in a few decades. Putting that $10 beaver in 1884 into perspective, The Inflation CalculatorWhat cost $10.00 in 1884 would cost $228.02 in 2007. Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2007 and 1884, they would cost you $10.00 and $0.47 respectively.
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Post by FWS on Jun 10, 2009 9:18:20 GMT -6
So do a lot of whitebread trappers.
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Post by johnthomas on Jun 11, 2009 23:10:35 GMT -6
I would neve argue the indians use of buffs, its common sense they could not use every part as the average indian would have several hundred skulls to carry with him every time he moved lol, but they did make good use of their resource compared to hide hunters. Reality is the buff herds were so huge when the big kiling came about because of the lack of indians from decades before, indians fought over the best migratory routes and grazing areas constantly and for a short time the comanches darn near ruled the entire praries but not for long, sickness they contracted from white folks wiped out the majority of them and they had to rebuild their population just to hang on to most of texas. The same happened to hundreds of other tribes as well, cleaning many of them out all togather. The lack of pressure on the herds from the loss of so many hungry mouths allowed a huge expansion of the buffs, it also allowed some rather small indian tribes to flourish and become the dominant tribes in the plains areas where before they pretty much grubbed around for a liiving and were preyed upon by stronger tribes.
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Post by mtcbrlatrap on Jun 12, 2009 7:36:04 GMT -6
Population density probably had much to do with it also. If you had 30-50 million buffalo and 1 to 2 million Native Americans scattered over half a continent they could use a few per capita and not dent the population, plus being nomadic they could move to where they were if there became fewer in the area they were at.
Bryce
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Post by makete on Jun 12, 2009 10:00:33 GMT -6
Redeagle, the buffalo jumps that you are thinking about were used befor the horse came upon the scene. The Native Americans would have to run (and I mean run with their feet and legs) the buffalo toward an area that could be used to kill a few. Sometimes they would even use fire to make the buffalo move in the direction that was required. And yes sometimes more than they could use or even get to were killed. After they recieved the horse they could then kill them easier with bow and arrows or even spears. By this time they were able to use almost all, if that all of the kills as the horse made it easier to either move the whole tribe or bring back more of the kill.
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Post by trappnman on Jun 12, 2009 16:07:11 GMT -6
we have such a jump in western Mn at Blue Mounds State Park.
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Post by coonhangman1 on Jun 12, 2009 16:50:40 GMT -6
Exactly! Biological warfare is what really helped the Europeans defeat and conquer the territories they did.
Bob showed me some of those buffalo jumps out in Wyoming last summer. Pretty cool stuff.
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Post by Gerald Schmitt on Jun 12, 2009 18:38:40 GMT -6
I seen the jump at Blue Mounds, the park is a good place to spend the day. The rock cabin is neat also.
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Post by johnthomas on Jun 12, 2009 23:48:30 GMT -6
The one i have seen in northwest kansas is probly a small one compared to the ones listed above but is near a sandpit in a alfalfa feild, a fellow i knew dug for relics there many times and found some great tools from the butchering and some bones and such. He ended up with a collection of many broken stone hammers or axes, one he even found both broken pieces to make the axe whole again, many broken stone knives, some whole ones the indians just lost i guess, but nothing lead, steel, brass etc., just stone stuff, pretty cool collection from the early 70s.(70s was when he collected it)
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Post by thebeav2 on Jun 13, 2009 7:20:26 GMT -6
I don't think the Indians moved because of lack of game. I think the piles of waste behind the tepee got so bad they had to move.
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