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Post by mustelameister on Dec 25, 2008 1:03:57 GMT -6
Was going through the archives this morning and couldn't make this link work. Any suggestions? Thanks How many of you remove the cartilage from fox, coyote and cats? www.furharvesters.com/FOXears-handout.pdfCheers Jim
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Post by romans117 on Dec 25, 2008 4:53:32 GMT -6
Yup.
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Post by Gibb on Dec 25, 2008 5:18:21 GMT -6
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Post by Gibb on Dec 25, 2008 5:24:17 GMT -6
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Post by mustelameister on Dec 25, 2008 6:43:31 GMT -6
Thanks Jim!
and Merry Christmas!
Any way a fella could order that pelt handling manual separately? Or in bulk?
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Post by Gibb on Dec 25, 2008 8:39:50 GMT -6
pm me what your needs are and I will see what I can do. Merry Christmas. Cheers Jim
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Post by thebeav2 on Dec 25, 2008 11:20:51 GMT -6
And to what benifit Is this to the average trapper? If I have two same fur quality animals and one Is with cartilage and one Is without. I'm going to get more money on the one without? And If so how much? I know guys who do this but I never have.
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Post by northof50 on Dec 25, 2008 11:30:00 GMT -6
Practice make perfect with the ear cartilage removal. They do dry better and less hair slippage in the tanning process. For the full face hat selectors this is a bonus, when making hats. So if your fox has a real long nap area, and a cherry red, that's the ones, that it will pay off, especially if they are pulled for private treaty sale.badgers particularly pay good
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Post by Griz on Dec 25, 2008 11:48:02 GMT -6
I remove the cartilage from canines most of the time. It is more of a pride of product thing that takes very little extra time than a money maker. If there is any money, it results in the ear cartilage not smelling and the buyer not downgrading the pelt based on fear of pelt slippage.
There are other ways to handle ears not drying as fast as the rest of the pelt, including borax.
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Post by Gibb on Dec 25, 2008 12:53:19 GMT -6
Beav no one is telling you to do anything. Borax works but this method is easier. I guess it all depends on what you are skinning and what market you are skinning for The commerical fur trade I recommend you take them out. Cheers Jim
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Post by romans117 on Dec 25, 2008 13:16:43 GMT -6
I tried doing it the FHA way but spend to much time. So I skin the skin off the ear a bit and cut at the base. Once on the fleshing board I quickly and easily do the task in about 30 seconds.
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Post by foxtail on Dec 25, 2008 14:29:30 GMT -6
I just used that method on a red fox I caught and am going to send in to be tanned.
All of this time I was farting (not my word of choice) around with taking the cartilage out after the canine was skinned.
Never again.
Someone made a video od this and posted it on T-man.
It was an epiphany.
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Post by Gibb on Dec 25, 2008 15:09:03 GMT -6
It was Phil Brown the fox man himself, for sure it is the easiest to do on fox need more elbow grease on coyotes. After seeing thousands of ranch fox with the ear cartilage out it makes a lot of sense. As soon as we start receiving fur for a sale, we right away start a collection of pelts with ears that are either stinking and slipping or so green that we know they will start to slip shortly unless we hang them up right away. Sometimes the only thing we can do is cut the ears right of to stop the tainting Cheers Jim
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Post by trappnman on Dec 26, 2008 7:42:55 GMT -6
I read way too often that people leave them on the boards for only a short time before turning- not counting those that don't tutn and use some method to allow them to put them on the boards fur out- and perhaps thats the reason some have problems with ears tainting-
and some might be how they skin them- I don't know how much they leave on the ears.
I don't have any problems with slipping-
some of that slipping might be snared coyotes on extended checks as well
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Post by foxtail on Dec 26, 2008 11:36:44 GMT -6
That could be, but the only time I really see any reason to even leave the ears on the skin is when you are going to tan it like I am going to do.
Otherwise, I don't see why people don't just cut them off and leave the hole. The garment maker doesn't use the head any way, and any buyer who would downgrade you fox or yote for not having ears should be dragged naked through a briar patch and rolled in popcorn salt.
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Post by RiverRat on Dec 26, 2008 12:24:02 GMT -6
and any buyer who would downgrade you fox or yote for not having ears should be dragged naked through a briar patch and rolled in popcorn salt.
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Post by garman on Dec 26, 2008 12:36:09 GMT -6
for god sakes people taking out the ear cartilage is simple not like frigging brainsurgery, I started doing it last year and will continue to...IF that is what the consumer wants that what we give to them, no wonder consumers go to ranch fur.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 27, 2008 7:46:09 GMT -6
just like pleating tails, if there isn't a $$ to do it- and I have no probelms doing it the way I'm doing it- why change?
does it always have to be bigger, better, faster, wider?
if it ain't broke, don't fix it............
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Post by Gibb on Dec 27, 2008 7:54:56 GMT -6
Steve, I think it is more like evolving. at one time the standard was nails for boarding small furbearers like mink and fox now we use pushpins. When I first started we use to stretch marten on a 3 piece stretcher with nails to hold down the legs. I use to stretch red fox on three different boards. Now I wonder why? Cheers Jim
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Post by trappnman on Dec 27, 2008 8:03:52 GMT -6
you use pushpins? LOL
you are probably right-
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