beaver pattern

[thorsmightyhammer]

Gary you and I know what we are doing so I think we could probably do it without a pattern.

but if you are green or one of those hard headed people that absolutely need to follow the lines fha's is better.

There is a reason why schroeder doesnt pay much attention to the lines.

[mr. finch]

thanks to all

[thebeav2]

Do any of you actually follow the lines on a pattern?
Man If I can get to the next line or past It I will and my vise grips are always In hand. Can you over stretch, not to my way of thinking.
I know NAFA scans rats but I didn't know they did beaver.

[mr. finch]

Dec 6, 2008 19:50:32 GMT -6 @thebeav2 said:

Do any of you actually follow the lines on a pattern?
Man If I can get to the next line or past It I will and my vise grips are always In hand. Can you over stretch, not to my way of thinking.
I know NAFA scans rats but I didn't know they did beaver.

i do for the most part

[Woodswalker]

Been following the beaver pattern lines for over 20 years now. Probably no more money in it but the beaver look nice and it's easy to get the beaver the right size. Never have to pull nails and start over, and never have a beaver just an inch under size.

NAFA scans beaver and just added new scanners for I think rats and something else which I forget, otter or coon ? They say customers now know exactly how many square inches of fur in a lot ...

[musher]

Dec 6, 2008 17:04:14 GMT -6 northof50 said:

What Mr. Gibb is trying to point out their patterns take into account the dried hides may shrink after off the board. that 1/2 inch means a lot, because there is 2 measurements made and added together. equals 2 inches total. NAFA uses a computer table that generates how many square inches there are, and the gopher on the other end flips it into that pile what the comp spews out, waiting for the grader. FHA uses real people on the floor doing the work.

That's a BIG difference right there.

[thebeav2]

NAFA has been scanning rats for years. They may do the beaver thing In Canada but they don't have a beaver scanner In WI.
And yes the costumer likes to know how many square centimeters there Is In that lot of fur.

Now If your beaver Is completely dry you should get minimal shrinkage after the hide is removed from the board. At least not enough to be loosing a whole grade.
Like I said before I have both patterns on my boards and I see no difference In the pay check.

And yes I do follow the lines for the most part so they look uniform but some times there Is a bit of deviation.

What Mr. Gibb is trying to point out their patterns take into account the dried hides may shrink after off the board. that 1/2 inch means a lot, because there is 2 measurements made and added together. equals 2 inches total. NAFA uses a computer table that generates how many square inches there are, and the gopher on the other end flips it into that pile what the comp spews out, waiting for the grader. FHA uses real people on the floor doing the work.

Give me a break Musher Real people
Just because NAFA scans for Square centimeters doesn't mean that real people don't grade for damage and quality.
I would think that the scanner would give the trapper a better grade as TO SIZE then some $3.00 a hour yahoo wielding a tape measure.

[Gibb]

This is for Mr. Finch

Simple way to size your beaver in order to nail it to the ring size.
Cheers Jim

[Gibb]

This is a simple design to make a cheap beaver table.
Cheers Jim

[Gibb]

What our beaver pattern is designed to do is give the trapper the proper size before it is measured, whether you use a real person or a machine.
A larger size beaver nailed right on the pattern ring can shink enough to drop it a size. We increased the larger pattern sizes on the board about 4 years ago to make sure our trappers did not lose out. A beaver that is nail right at 60 inches can shink enough to drop down one size.
Beav the size would be the same whether you scan it or measure it?
Cheers Jim

[mr. finch]

thanks saved all the pics

[northof50]

Actually if the scanner falls asleep and the hide curls the slightest when it is on the converer line the size is not right on. And he /she does not watch the overhead and see the patern projected. That's what is rummered her with the NAFA system.
Joke; what is the most worn spot of a beaver graders lab coat?'
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the pocket of their lab coat the tape measure is in.
ps ;Jim there is a very good picture of one of your graders/ collectors Mr. Toews on the back cover of the Manitoba trappers guide. Caption is training future generations of trappers, probably taken at the Thompson Fur fare. ya gotta get a cap to stop that moon glow of his..haha

[thebeav2]

Now If you have It so you can rotate the table you will have It made. A lot less moving around the table.

[northof50]

That's were an old round bar table with a cast bottom comes in handy, and a old swivel fishing seat base holds the pattern so it rotates.
The Sleemans brewary uses 3/4 " plywood pallets that are just the right size, up to 3xxxl for a pattern board. and they stand and have a space between them for air distribution.

[thorsmightyhammer]

Gibb the top three sizes on the nafa pattern are 2-3 inches over what is needed.

Make sure you cut the nose off and you are good to go.

Problem with nafa's board sizes as I see it are the bottom sizes.

An LM is 51 inches and their pattern is at 52.

A M is 47 inches and their pattern is at 47.

A Small is 41 and their pattern is at 41,

Dont pay attention to what you are doing or transpose the lines wrong and you are going to have a problem.

I measure every beaver that goes out my door before shipping and if I have one or two that borderline thats it and I stretch the living daylights out of em.

[thebeav2]

Vise grips uniform of the day.