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Post by rk660 on Sept 15, 2008 6:42:31 GMT -6
"In fact In the water I would rather use a #3 coil on a drowning rig". about my thoughts too.
"Bolte. Redder all used 11's and they made some huge catches." Ive trapped around Bolte for years, and his current setup misses some huge piles.
Jim M, set at same spot as Bolte with his 11's and bait splatted on bank above trap. Think final score was Jim M 22 coons that location to Bolte's 4.
No doubt, some large catches have been made on 11's over the years. That, in itself, still doesnt make it the best coon trap in all situations.
Thats about same as saying a no 3 longspring or 3N is the best coyote trap by virtue of have caught more coyotes than any other trap. Doesnt mean its the best, just used the most for a longer time frame.
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Post by johnthomas on Sept 16, 2008 22:41:35 GMT -6
ogorman claimed to know reeder and bolte both, he claimed years ago bolte used a no.1 longspring with a booster spring on it and reeder used a no.3 longspring same as he used on beaver, later joe went to bodygrips, both were supposed to use ground fish splattered or smeared into the bank or in reeders case into the side of a tree, only guy i know that knows the one now days is rk, i have not heard much of anyhting about them in years and years, pretty much a new bunch of coon busters getting the headlines these days.
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Post by mountainman on Sept 17, 2008 1:02:13 GMT -6
I've seen where a lots of coons pulled out of regular #1 LS w/ booster springs. If I was going to use #1s on coons I personally wouldn't want to use anything less than old style B&Ls or strong #11s.
I added booster springs to some #11s back in the days when I was using a lot of #1s along with 1 1/2s and #2s for mink and rats. Its a lot of drilling and pop riveting or bolting them on. My first incidental otter was caught in one of those #11s. (mountain area and long before I heard of any being stocked there) That trap was getting old and had let down some. The otter pulled out as I approached and I passed up an easy head shot when it popped up in the upper end of the culvert to eyeball me. Actually had the sights of the pistol on him and just grinned as it dove under and hurried away upstream. The set was an undercut point with a nook under an old rotten log and lured with mink gland lure. My usual catch of 6-8 mink and a dz or so rats at those 3 close together creeks and culverts dropped to 3 mink and a few rats after that otter showed up.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 17, 2008 7:13:15 GMT -6
its not losses, its misses in smaller traps
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Post by mountainman on Sept 17, 2008 10:09:38 GMT -6
I agree on the misses and you summed that up very well Steve.
I do however see differences in holding power in small traps. In #1 longsprings I attribute that to differences in spring strengh, not size. That wasn't the point of the debate.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 17, 2008 10:14:53 GMT -6
the #1 used to be the trap for water before coon. Tradition had #1 for rats, #1.5 on mink.
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Post by piney on Sept 17, 2008 10:41:36 GMT -6
I was pumped a year ago reading all the hype over the 11. I went to a show and bought a dozen. Got home and realized I can set em' worth a sh*% ....so I sold em! I love my 1.5's too I guess.
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Post by mustelameister on Sept 17, 2008 11:45:28 GMT -6
John . . were those #11s Newhouses? Got rid of 'em 'cause you couldn't set 'em??? Now that gets a Next time you're ready to get rid of some traps 'cause you can't set 'em, bring 'em on over here and I'll give you some Duke #1 1/2s straight up!
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Post by Jellyhead on Sept 17, 2008 11:59:15 GMT -6
Setting them has been the least of my probs. I actually have a harder time setting my 1.5 coils.
Another thing I've noticed on the #11 is the spring size to Jaw spread ratio. These traps look like you put #5 Longspring springs, on a #3 LS. Maybe that's why they hold so well.
Thanks again for everyone's comments. I'll report my success or failure with them this year.
Aaron
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