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Post by trappnman on Sept 13, 2008 14:31:47 GMT -6
I don't know any of those guys, but do know mike. Listen to what he says about the limitations.
setting pipes, big pockets, trials- you get a lot of coon by the hind foot. I don't care what foot they are caught by just like I don't care what foor I catch a canine by.
But since some questioned why would anyone target backfeet- thats simple- less chewing.
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Post by markymark on Sept 13, 2008 14:50:02 GMT -6
If you don't know them then how can you say Mike is Word?
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Post by PAskinner on Sept 13, 2008 15:13:49 GMT -6
Read Fenner's article in Trapper's world. Different world here, small rocky runs, culverts, and forget drowning coon. In fact, forget big pockets- in a lot of places there is not enough bank. I understand why people on big water use bigger traps. Also, lets face it, used #1's are cheap compared to new 1.5's-add an extra spring and you have a disposible trap that won't make you cry if someone steals it.
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Post by mustelameister on Sept 13, 2008 17:30:29 GMT -6
Aaron stated this: Any tips on using them? Most of my pocket trapping has been with 1.5 coils. Also, is there any tricks to placement of them at pockets to increase the odds of taking mink?I believe this small pocket tied in with the #11 at the entrance guarded with the stick outside the loose jaw will increase the odds of not only taking mink, but also giving that mink a chance to get that trap down the slide and out of sight of predators and/or other trappers. Another thought: I bait these small pockets with my fish mix. The pipe sets often have fish mix spiked with anise. No scientific experiment here, but I've noticed that my mink take is down when baiting pockets with fish/anise. So I save the anise mix for the pipes only. Since I'm working out of a boat, it isn't a big deal for me to have a couple different tubs of traps. Maybe if I was walking ditches or creeks I'd have a problem with deciding which trap to carry with me. The Beav will never use an #11. Neither will most water trappers. It always comes back to what works for you. If you have faith in the #1 1/2 coil working in every possible situation, then God bless and go forth into the wilderness with all you can carry. The least a fella could do would be to take just one of these pretty lil' traps along the water line this fall and set it as explained earlier. Is this the time to share that I use a #3 double longspring at blind and pipe sets where deep water just outside the trap guarantees an out-of-sight drowned 'coon asap? Blake & Lambs are my favorites . . .
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Post by trappnman on Sept 13, 2008 18:37:19 GMT -6
If you don't know them then how can you say Mike is Word?
what in the world are you talking about?
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Post by lumberjack on Sept 13, 2008 19:34:30 GMT -6
I cant understand why anyone would use such a small trap on a drowning set-up. Heck, you cant find a cheaper trap at rendezvous than the old style #2 victor, and the kill zone is very forgiving on placement and/or guiding, hind foot or front foot.
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Post by thebeav2 on Sept 13, 2008 20:10:07 GMT -6
The Beav has used those #11s and he just doesn't like them, but I have tried them. Ahh another big trap advocate just got to love those big traps In the right situation. I learned that a long time ago when i was really whacking those coon during the spring beaver season with 750s and #5 dbls. I don't remember any chewing but there was a lot of dead coon.
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Post by markymark on Sept 13, 2008 21:25:56 GMT -6
"Word" is a slang word meaning approve, it's bible. You mean to tell me at all the biker gigs you go to you never heard anyone say WORD, Word Up.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2008 5:57:17 GMT -6
oh east coast slang- nope never heard of it.
you brought up people I never heard of, and I stated that (as reference to using #11) .
I DO know Mike, and hes a fan of #11, and I stated what I stated-
as far as using #11 on land, I don't have to take anyones word for it, been there, done that.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 14, 2008 8:06:29 GMT -6
So your actually targeting hind feet to lessen chewing? Dryland and water? It seems if your trying to target hind feet then your % would drop some ?
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2008 9:25:58 GMT -6
TC- I target zero feet.
what I said was But since some questioned why would anyone target backfeet- thats simple- less chewing
if someone would target backfeet- that would be an obvious reason why.
I use the Armstrong guide stick, I get very, very few snapped coon traps with 1.5s.
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Post by blackhammer on Sept 14, 2008 9:50:52 GMT -6
If you hav'nt heard of Don Bolte or Joe Redder you live in a small world,trapping history wise. Some guys very sucessful with 11"s why knock them? I see there bad points, small jaw spreads main one ,but they hold most every coon.Lots of differant systems work on coon,to each is own.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 14, 2008 10:23:10 GMT -6
When I trap I target feet, I want a front foot catch on most animals and I use the equipment and the techniques that will make that happen a high% of the time. Back foots on many species can leave to less than ideal holds, front foot and more pan tension I can control better the holds I receive.
I have found most of my back footed coyotes come from the use of gland lure, gland sets only I move trap back and use a little more guiding because of this fact, I also use less sets with just straight gland alone by itself.
When I coon trapped guiding and trap placement kept back foot catches low. My favorite back in the day #2 DBL victors and monty 1.5's both pretty small IMO for back footing coons with great holds.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2008 10:40:10 GMT -6
yes, I do live in small world- haven't heard of any those- until the internet, I never worried about conventions, books, etc, etc- I just trapped.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2008 10:43:42 GMT -6
and further blackhammer from SE Mn- I don't like your attitude one bit. secondly, I didn't "knock" #11- I've taken plenty more coons in #11 than many- but that doesn't excuse their limitations.
perhaps this isn't the forum for you- if you have a hard time recognizing discussion from sycophant agreement on everything.
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Post by Jellyhead on Sept 14, 2008 11:40:56 GMT -6
Great info guys, thanks!
Bolte and Redder, never heard of them.....Just what DID they do with the #11 DLS? What did they do that made the trap work for them?
Mustelemeister.....Thank you for your description of a mink pocket with the #11. I can see how that would work. I also think the width of my pockets and placement of the 1 1/2 coil as I have used them, has probably missed me alot of mink.
Another question....... I've never drowned many coon. I've always used a longer chain and just staked it in deep water when using the 1.5 coil (like Gerald Schmitt does with his mink pockets ) Most of my coon are waiting for me at the waters edge. Is drowning even more critical with the #11?
Aaron
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Post by blackhammer on Sept 14, 2008 11:50:52 GMT -6
Nothing personal,just always seek out imformation on big number guys in midwest.find it interesting.Sorry if I appearred to have attitude.Just trying to point out, there is more than one way to skin a cat. But i"m sure you already know that.Enjoy,your forum just a little differant than most.just getting use to it.Hope I am still welcome.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Sept 14, 2008 11:52:41 GMT -6
Aaron I'll tell what I think is a big problem with the 11(from a guy with limited coon experience, I ve maybe caught 800 or so total) is there limited useability.
A 1.5 or a 2 is a pretty versatile trap whereas is a man buys 11's he pretty well limited in their use. Sure you could use them for mink and rats but the aforementioned coils are lightyears better and are darn good fox traps as well.
For holding power the 11's will hold once you get the bracelet on. Drowning situations or not.
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Post by thebeav2 on Sept 14, 2008 11:57:16 GMT -6
As far as Bolte, wasn't he a major 220 user I never heard where he used many #11s. But I never followed any of his writings just what O'g said about him. Targeting hind feet on coon Is tactical situation and used when a front foot Is a gamble. Deep water situations and high pockets or pipe sets.
When using #11s drowning situations are less critical. It's a tenacious little trap when it's clamped on a coon. I also don't work to hard at drowning coon unless I'm running a extended catch situation. Long chains staked out deep works for me on 24 hour checks.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 14, 2008 14:24:39 GMT -6
blackhammer- this forum is often going to be hard and heavy. When someone asks a question, unless its so obvious, on this forum you will get lots of replies from what I consider some of the best trappers on the internet forums, bar none.
The #11 is a good trap. Just like the 1.75 is for coyotes. Both have their limitations and thatl imitation is the same- size. It does matter.
Some can use the #11 with as much success as a bigger trap man, because they take the time to use it right, and use it in certain situations.
But it does have its limitations, which is what the opening tread wanted to know. He found out how to use them, and also found out there ARE limitations on them.
And one of those limitations, is that they are not a very good land trap, in my and others opinion, and another limitation, as pointed out- is in trail or non specific foot sets such as pipes.
and yes, they will hold anything that gets in them- we held coyotes to beaver to otter to countless coons, rats, possums, etc in them.
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