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Post by frenchman on Aug 27, 2008 8:13:56 GMT -6
I assume trigger on the bottom to catch those mink?
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Post by trappnman on Aug 27, 2008 8:46:16 GMT -6
I still believe, you get more walkarounds than one thinks.
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 27, 2008 9:19:24 GMT -6
yes, bottom and one bent parallel to the ground. lot of hip catches. once caught a short tail weasel by the neck and he was hanging there like a hot dog, couldn`t even pull the trap over. another unique catch was two 1/2 grown ferel house cats in the same 220, front one hip caught, rear one neck caught . was quite a struggle and front one had rump all scratched up and rear one face all scratched up. I reckon each blamed the other till they expired. I bet that had a sound effect. had quite a few doubles on coon and skunk, never a double on a possum. few squirrels and rabbits and a muskrat once, no water anywhere around. go figure.
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Post by thebeav2 on Aug 27, 2008 10:48:56 GMT -6
Before all the 220 restrictions In WI that's all I used Is 220s. I built all my stablizers so they were permently attached to the trap. I just knocked out the rivits and put the stabilizer ends back In and Placed cotter keys to hold them. It was fast just jam the 220 In place and go. I also ran like Bob and replaced full traps with pre set traps. Last year i caught 7 reds In 160s If I was going to have refusals I would think It would be from fox. But I think my system works pretty good when it come sto refusals. Yes I'm sure I get some but not enogh to worry about. In a hot trail I might have 4 160s set up I figure If I miss him on the frist set I will get im In one of the other traps.
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 27, 2008 11:06:02 GMT -6
tman, with the right system I feel you hardly ever miss one as you cabn see coon tracks in the frost, snow and dew. they lead to the trap and blam. a few try to crawl over and block the top a little better and there he is. I have too many trails that take 6-15 coon real fast and then go stone cold dead- got them ALL, none left. time to move on.
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Post by SteveCraig on Aug 27, 2008 11:53:07 GMT -6
I cant recall any refusals in 220's in over 30 years of using this trap. Now 160's......is another story. I like the trap, and just like Bob says, it will knock the heck out of mink, cats, squirrels, rabbits, etc. 220's will take just about every grey fox around and no few reds. I get alot of coon going over the top of the 160. I just started raising them a few years ago and all but solved the problem. I do however make sure that a 160 goes in those really tight brushy spots, as that is where they shine. In more open trails, I use the 220. In those bare trails, just add as much ground duff, loose grass brought in and piled each side of the trap and the coon will walk right through that hole you made. Simply a walk through. When I run out of 160's and 220's, then I hang snares. NECK snares that is. Again....tight spots is the key, loop less than 5 1/2 inches, and bottom of loop 6-9 inches off the ground with a chin lift. Just like the round RBG's, the coon will shoot right through that little hole you leave. Some of the best locations are right where that coon leaves the brush into a corn field, or where he leaves the culvert heading for the corn field and has to cross the open road ditch area. They are usually moving fast and hit that hole you make for them hard. I run just like Bob as he is the one that taught me this method more than 30 years ago. You line that trail up with a couple 220 and a 160 or a snare than you will not miss any coon. In 3 good nights, you are down the road and setting elsewhere.
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 27, 2008 12:25:10 GMT -6
while we are it. treat a 220 like a snare and then you grasp the concept. ands who would believe you can snare ( or 220) coons, fox, coyotes on a rr track? well, youi can!
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Post by trappnman on Aug 27, 2008 14:08:53 GMT -6
each to their own.
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Post by thebeav2 on Aug 27, 2008 14:39:08 GMT -6
Bob showed me that RR track trick years ago. He also showed me the snare on the top wire on the fence trick.
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 27, 2008 15:11:10 GMT -6
you`re missing the boat if you blow this stuff off tman. been awhile, eh beav. pam is still sharp at least ,even if you and I kinda slipped a tad.
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Post by frenchman on Aug 28, 2008 6:03:38 GMT -6
snare on the top wire?
Sounds like the powerline sky-snare set for jumping fox. Hard to make, but easy to check!
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Post by trappnman on Aug 28, 2008 8:21:12 GMT -6
not blowing anything off- I've caughht 100's of coon in 220s- used to think they were "da bomb"-
I've slowly gotten away from my love affair with conibears, and far, far prefer footholds for everything-
for ME, they outproduce conibears all around.
Most of my coon trapping is bare ground, snow. You want to mess with 220s, do it.
I no longer want to. If you think coon aren't going around more than you think, then thats your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Quite frankly, I'll match my coon take over last 30+ years with anyones.
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 28, 2008 8:36:23 GMT -6
mess? no stinky bait, no boots, 5-10 second set, no bloody heads, dry fluffy 50-100 coon days common for those that roll with them early on. and almost 100% no theft as a dead coon is not seen. ZERO escapes. no need to hide the feet from anyone either.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 28, 2008 8:52:30 GMT -6
Mess? nope- squirt a fish oil mix and go.
boots? not sure how that applys
dry fluffy coon? thought it rained everyday there? LOL
wet coon are about zero concern to me.
50-100 coon days are not uncommom for ANY hardliner- no matter if footholds, conibears or snares.
As I said- each to their own.
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 28, 2008 9:34:43 GMT -6
not in a 4-8 hr day 50-100 aren`t common. coons only water soak if ynder water. no drowning , no squirting anything. wham bam and go.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 28, 2008 9:41:55 GMT -6
no, not in a 4 hour day, I agree.
but water soaked coon are zero problem if you do them right.
I get most of the water out by squeegeeing them with a gloved hand good, then snapping them a few times-
the days catch, gets laid out on cardboard and newspapers-
by the next night- they are just damp- no problem in any way to skin.
those coon get skinned, washed, brushed and hung up to dry- the next morning, they are put in freezer- works well for me.
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Post by lumberjack on Aug 28, 2008 10:38:53 GMT -6
Why dont you skin them 1st, Thats how I do its then ring out as much water as I can and hang in front of fans all night. I hate skinning chilled coon. I found what really matters in the drying process is to get all the mud out.
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Post by lumberjack on Aug 28, 2008 10:40:38 GMT -6
5-10 second set-up, it takes me about 3 minutes to find the end of the wire, of course my eyesight aint what it use to be.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 28, 2008 10:50:52 GMT -6
I hate skinning dripping coon.
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Post by lumberjack on Aug 28, 2008 10:58:15 GMT -6
Yea I love when that cold dirty water runs down to yout elbow and flings in your face. Come to think of it my wet conibeared coon are more of a pain to dry than the foot trapped ones. I guess no body heat to help out.
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