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Post by hotandry on Oct 2, 2007 14:56:19 GMT -6
Joel.
I like the PIT pans as well. You get a real consistent 3 lbs of pan tension, no wobble, and good quality steel.
I tried doing the miles trigger and a modified miles trigger and just wasn't happy with the results.
A small thing, but for cats I prefer the chain mounted to the trap stock versus center mount. Just helps to bed the trap flat for the uncovered sets.
If I was after coyotes I would prefer the center mount and you are burying the trap in dirt anyway.
-John
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Oct 2, 2007 20:10:59 GMT -6
Ohioyotee we agree on something!!
John I like a side mounted chain on coils, I get the baseplates from Conner that have the O ring that allows the swivel to side mount off the bottom.
It lets it lie flat and still cocks the trap up for a semi- horizontal pull against the jaws when you make a catch.
The center swivels are OK but I prefer the swivel and chain slightly offset.
I don't like the chain attached to the spring on stock longs much although I've caught a bunch of animals that way.
Have you ever used Byrd's method of building a bit of a platform under the trap to keep it off the ground?
Joel
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Post by lynxcat on Oct 3, 2007 7:11:19 GMT -6
Joel..on the sticks under the traps setup...Casey does it as well...I could see the advantage in NOT having coils freeze down..but on DLS traps wouldnt make much of a difference... I rock salt my sets...NEVER have a rejection and it keeps the snow off of 90% of them.. Brent
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Post by trappnman on Oct 3, 2007 7:24:53 GMT -6
you have never had a rejection from the melted spot in the snow from salt with coyotes?
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Post by lynxcat on Oct 3, 2007 7:40:13 GMT -6
I certainly HOPE SO... dont want a 30 coyote in a 400.00 cat set.. lol THO had one year on the last check had 1 cat and 6 coyotes in EXPOSED sets..one with RED flagging tape on it...
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Oct 3, 2007 7:47:31 GMT -6
Longsprings do have a bit of an advantage when sitting on frozen mud.
I know some guys try to put some kind of a barrier between the ground and the trap.
If it looks like wet weather I will throw some sage duff or juniper duff down to set the trap on.
Coilsprings work well with a bit of a platform to keep them out of the mud. A couple of sticks under the coilspring ears will elevate it enough to keep it from freezing down and still allow for good stability.
Joel
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Post by ohiyotee on Oct 3, 2007 8:55:52 GMT -6
On coils have you ever experimented with on spring frozen down and the other working normal. The trap will fling wildly side ways , i wonder if that contributes to misses? I don't know if it would be a factor , but that doesn't happen with a long spring.
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Post by hotandry on Oct 3, 2007 11:11:41 GMT -6
Joel,
I have tried sticks under the coils. It is kind of necessary to do something otherwise the trap is awefully wobbly with the new coils having that center mount for the chain. If you just plant it into to the dirt it will bed solid and then freeze down the minute there is a scosh of precip. even where I trap. Salt underneath would work too.
I like your idea to move the chain on the coils back to the side. I bought a couple of Montana's to try out and the unmodified ones have the chain on a side mount.
Its interesting how the traps have evolved to become excellent coyote tools and now we are going back to the older versions for the cat sets.
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Post by lynxcat on Oct 3, 2007 16:42:16 GMT -6
Never found the center swiveling to be much of an issue..SINCE I'm NOT setting on flat surfaces to begin with..ya just move the trap till it sticks..
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Oct 3, 2007 23:01:46 GMT -6
Yeah you wouldn't recognize my cat traps as a coyote tool anymore.
I wonder if I could even sell them outside of the intermountain West.
Denny Rickards is a fly fisherman that developed his own flyrods that were different than the conventional ones. I kind of relate to him.
Joel
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Post by Wright Brothers on Aug 9, 2008 12:27:49 GMT -6
"This method is SIMPLE,CHEEP, and it WORKS!!"
Been looking for this.
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Post by mr. finch on Aug 9, 2008 12:49:06 GMT -6
is it me or have the pics gone away?cant see them anymore just boxes
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Post by mountainman on Aug 9, 2008 13:29:32 GMT -6
I checked a while back and the pics were gone. It would be good to have them.
I bought the only small 3 point file I could find in reasonable priced needle file set and did the few #3 Vic Dls I have left. The pans are a lot less wobbly and have good tension now.
Some of the places I'll be trapping are very rocky and only have a little bit of sand or soil to bed in. Most of my cat traps are side swiveled.
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Post by Wright Brothers on Aug 9, 2008 13:46:30 GMT -6
My tri file does not fit in there real well.
Couple questions about Vic 3s
The holes where the jaws go in the frame seam BIG. Is this a common wear out area with these or normal?
The Vic 3 with US stamp, cast jaws, clevis, and swivel. Is this a user or collector?
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Post by lumberjack on Aug 9, 2008 19:28:02 GMT -6
I would say that trap is a collector being a government trap. I wouldnt alter it in any way, anyhow.
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Post by 17HMR on Aug 10, 2008 6:31:17 GMT -6
I bought about 70 vic #3 os at a auction this spring, all done like this and lammed with shock springs and dyed and waxed.
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