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Post by scott kimball on Jul 20, 2008 19:03:38 GMT -6
was reading one of the old threads on" toe catches"
it got me thinking how one might prevent toe catches and some of the guys mentioned a few of the obvious ways like to much covering over traps,to light of a pan tension (this one being questionable ) and stepping on the jaw and the pan at same time.
as i said i got me thinking.my thought is this if you can get the yote to put all its weight on the one foot that will step on the pan then you can prevent some of your problems with toe catches.
one of the sets that will give you this scenario is a stepdown set. another way this can be accomplished is by placing objects in the assumed location of the off leg which will create him to put all his weight on the foot that is going to step on the pan.and with a little guiding you can also prevent the half jaw half pan theory.
scott
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 21, 2008 3:51:47 GMT -6
probably . my thoughts are no one using a step down suffers the inscessant rain and flooding we have here. another way I accomplish a guaranteed catch , toe or not, and no ytrack on the pattern frustrations, is have such good dope down the hole that it matters not where he steps, he`ll step so often that eventually he gets caught. then I ask, as long as he is there come morning, what is wrong with a toe catch?
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Post by trappnman on Jul 21, 2008 6:05:34 GMT -6
rain with stepdowns matters not at all- not at all.
I trapped 3 years ago, and the first 3 weeks of season were solid rain- and my stepdowns still worked very well.
what MATTERS, is soil type.
if it rains so hard that everything is flooded with 4 feet of water then it really doesn't matter what type of set you use.....
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 21, 2008 6:37:05 GMT -6
tman, you don`t have rain, real rain, for months at a time like we do. you just havn`t a clue.when you get a 10 incher and then 1-2" every other day and no sun (NONE!) for 60-90 days straight, then you tell me about dirt trapping, with stepdowns at that.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Jul 21, 2008 15:00:05 GMT -6
If you got clay like we do around here you will have mud holes.
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Post by lumberjack on Jul 21, 2008 15:45:53 GMT -6
I always got a kick out of the "drain" holes the old method books told you to punch in under the trap bed. Might help on a hour long shower but not any help on the day+ showers we get during the season.
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Post by Dhat on Jul 21, 2008 16:21:08 GMT -6
I use fairly heavy pan tension by most standards and get very, very few toe catches probably less than ten a year. My tension is enough that i have only caught 2 skunks that i can think of in the last 3 or 4 years, one of them being last week. Of the few toe catches i do get it is off to the side of the jaws like he was on the edge of the pan. Im working coyotes and cats only and would prefer the smaller stuff just stay out.
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Post by dabrock on Jul 21, 2008 16:28:27 GMT -6
I catch a few toes, but like Bob, says, who cares as long as he is there when I get there in the morning.
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Post by scott kimball on Jul 21, 2008 16:30:42 GMT -6
I agree with Bob when it comes to rain.in the last month it has rained at least twice a week here,and it is summer time (if you didn't know LOL ) in the fall we get or it seems we get twice as much rain in a even amount of time frame. when you check a dirt hole set for 3 days in a row and the hole is still lap solid full of water thats rain.
real tough for big number trapping.(defiantly will cut down on toe catches)
scott
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Post by trappnman on Jul 21, 2008 17:24:05 GMT -6
clay is a different story- but in clay, dirtholes fill also.
my point exactly- rain will fill any hole set
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 21, 2008 17:25:52 GMT -6
they willavoif putting their feet in the water vs a dry spot, so step downs are a fall trappers deal at best, before the storms hit. and I never saw any benefit anyway, even if dry.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 21, 2008 18:28:03 GMT -6
This hasn't a thing to do with toe catches but In wet weather I go to high spots and flat sets NO HOLE no problems with holes filling.
Step downs never worked well for me and when it snows and blows they all drift shut anyway.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 21, 2008 19:10:58 GMT -6
benefit? Its a set that works good- thats why I use it.
If I lived where it rains 2" a day 365, I'd move. Or trap water.
I don't. So I'll continue ot use stepdown sets where I can't blend a flat set. I'm not going to waste time forcing in a set
they don't drift anymore than any other hole set- and flat sets don't do well in snow.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 22, 2008 4:30:04 GMT -6
"hi spots". that`s what I mean beav, you still don`t get it. tman, you say you would move on account of rain but won`t on account of going to where the jobs are. that`s whacked.
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Post by romans117 on Jul 22, 2008 6:12:36 GMT -6
If I lived where it rains 2" a day 365, I'd move. Or trap water. That's funny right there.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 22, 2008 6:34:25 GMT -6
So Is your version of a step down like a Leggits type or just wide shallow trench? There Is a huge difference . Flat sets don't work? A charred chunk of wood placed on a wind swept high spot bedded with waxed dirt will keep working all winter.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 22, 2008 7:01:50 GMT -6
"wind swept hi spot", bwahaha, you are killing me beav. you still don`t get it. #1 you can`t sweep mud, #2 it only blows when the next storm comes, #3 you can`t get to the hi spot due to bottomless mud, #4 there isn`t any hi spot!
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 22, 2008 7:37:54 GMT -6
I get It Bob I get It. That's only In your little part of the world the rest of us live In Paradise We hardly ever get much rain In the fall and even In the rainy season Jan and Feb In the south Isn't all that bad.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 22, 2008 7:59:13 GMT -6
we don't have wind swept spots-
anytime you place anything above ground, it beomes a drift magnet.
I'm betting I make as many wind drift charcol flat sets in snow as you do each year.....
my point is bob- if you can't use the set, then don't.
I get it it.
Its rain.
Its mud.
Its the same 450 days a year.
say it once say "can't use that set here, too much of a hellhole" and then leave it go.
most others can indeed use the set- my advice is for them, not you.
if its that bad where you live, then don't trap there.
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