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Post by trappnman on May 20, 2008 7:24:03 GMT -6
TC, I use a trappers cap on 1.75s only. I'm convinced its the difference between misses, and coyotes.
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Post by makete on May 20, 2008 9:32:00 GMT -6
Could I please see a pic of a screen pan cover? Are they easy to make? What about sandy areas?
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Post by trappnman on May 20, 2008 10:42:05 GMT -6
a screen pan cover, is just a piece of screen cut to be slightly larger than the jaw spread.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 20, 2008 13:36:23 GMT -6
So with the trappers cap you can get by with much less poly fill then correct?
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Post by thebeav2 on May 21, 2008 7:36:20 GMT -6
I all way's thought that with the use of the trappers cap you didn't need to place anything under the pan.
In reality If your trap springs with minimum pan drop your trap should fire even with some dirt under the pan as long as that pan will depress whats under there.
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Post by trappnman on May 21, 2008 7:53:43 GMT -6
So with the trappers cap you can get by with much less poly fill then correct?
I all way's thought that with the use of the trappers cap you didn't need to place anything under the pan.
You would think so- but not true if using dried dirt. When dried gopher mound dirt gets rained on, it turns to liquid mud. It then flows under the pan and sets up rock hard, so that the pan WILL NOT disengage. The poly keeps this from happening. I use the same amount of poly under the #3 without the cap as the 1.75's with the cap. I use the cap for a different reason on 1.75s- and that is because I find that hard packed inside the jaws, reduces and eliminates misses. Beav, you went at it a different way by putting 1.5 pans on- reducing the kill area so more of the foot is inside the pan.
In reality If your trap springs with minimum pan drop your trap should fire even with some dirt under the pan as long as that pan will depress whats under there.
Correct. But the solidified mud doesn't compress. The poly gives it some air space, so then it will drop.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 21, 2008 12:35:24 GMT -6
That is another reason not use use ploy in this area, because gumbo packs decent dry and turns to potters clays when wet and will move and fill in any spaces. With a cover over the pan I can keep this from getting under the pan and still have an operational trap, also this muck slows them down quite a bit and is like grease on a wet foot, hence the advantage of running all 4 coiled traps for coyotes.
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Post by trappnman on May 21, 2008 12:42:33 GMT -6
thats the EXACT reason to use poly in place of pan covers. poly spread out under the pan provides ample air space.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 21, 2008 15:34:26 GMT -6
What do you need air space for? I want nothing getting under the pan, the voids under the pan will fill in with wet gumbo or soils in this area. When I use coal shale it works well the draw back is when it gets wet it will flow as well, a light frost and you have a trap that won't fire. As the shale flows under the pan.
With a pan cover and a light frost you get a crusting but still makes the trap fire and with a pan cover over the pan it acts somewhat like stiff screen making a bigger kill area. Yet still will fire unless the light frosting goes to more than that.
A coffee filters conforms nicely to the pan with the slightest amount of mositure or time and I pack all traps in tight so it makes a nice tight fitting cover over the pan and allows little to nothing under the pan. Even with decent rain and time the trap will still fire nicely as nothing can get under the pan.
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Post by thebeav2 on May 21, 2008 18:36:14 GMT -6
At one time I thought I had the perfect pan cover material. The wife was putting this landscaping cloth down In her garden. This stuff was a bit porous so moisture could wick through but was fine enough to keep out any thing you used to cover the trap. It conformed well to the pan and was very light In weight. And It was easy to cut and work with. It also came In earth tone colors so if some covering was washed off or for some other reason dirt was removed the cloth blended In well.
BUT the rodents couldn't leave the stuff alone they would dig to It and drag It off the trap. There must have been something In that cloth that really attracted them. I also have noticed this with Polly fill but not as much as the landscaping cloth.
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Post by trappnman on May 22, 2008 5:30:39 GMT -6
grasshopper...
What do you need air space for?
think about it.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on May 22, 2008 13:19:00 GMT -6
I know the airspace is dead space for the pan to fall, I go about it differently with a covering over the top, the problem with poly for me has been rodents and the goo or shale tucking up to the poly making a trap in some cases "not all" not ready to fire due to soils,weather and amount of mositure.
Beav you can get earth tone coffee filters I switched to them over white awhile back and they are cheap in the off brands. I get no digging from rodents and no refuals because of them, no cutting, bending just open the bag and go to trapping. You can get the 4-6 cup size or the 10-12 will cover most land traps nicely and on windys days the bonus on approach is the filter hung up in the weeds or grass and you know when you pop the knob there was activity at the set!
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Post by trappnman on May 22, 2008 16:55:18 GMT -6
its just a quick easy method that I like- in no way superior to other methods, just different.
I do like screen pan covers- but am not convinced tey give me any more coyotes, and while I don't mind replacing screens after coon or cnaines- it burns me that I have to do the same with every possum skunk catch. So I think unless special circumstance- pure sugar sand for example- I'm staying with the poly.
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