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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 25, 2008 7:51:12 GMT -6
This fall I'll make 4 sets at each location 2 with black and two with white and I'll report the findings. And as DJ would say you can Trust me. Lol
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Post by trappnman on Apr 25, 2008 11:27:08 GMT -6
any conscenous on size of pipe? I like 2" for most work, because its easier to bait and lure. But since I had a bunch on smaller stuff, I'm guessing inch or little bigger, I use it more than anything else with about the same results.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 25, 2008 17:01:13 GMT -6
I use everything from 1 1/4 to 2" It doesn't seem to make much difference. Smaller pipe less bait same results.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 26, 2008 7:10:50 GMT -6
How about yellow. I can get all they yellow pe pipe I could ever use in 2,3,4 or 6 inch. Its scrap pipe we use for gas lines.
I'll never be able to break it either.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 26, 2008 7:33:06 GMT -6
I bet It would work. I laid a lot of pipe like that In my day. I bet If you took some black elctrical tape and placed it around the yellow pipe like a barber pole you would attract every coon on the creek.LOL With all kidding aside I bet that would give you great eye appeal.
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Post by k9 on Apr 26, 2008 8:37:36 GMT -6
"I laid a lot of pipe like that In my day."
I used to lay a lot of pipe too Gary, but if it turns yellow you might want to go get that checked out.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 26, 2008 8:40:51 GMT -6
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Post by BK on Apr 26, 2008 19:19:20 GMT -6
So Beav do skunks bother your dry pvc sets much?
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 26, 2008 21:11:09 GMT -6
BK Nope I have caught a few grinner's and a few cats but no skunks yet. I guess I've just been lucky. But about 80 % of these sets are In the water and the other 20 % are made where I can't use a 160 trail set do to no cover In the trail. I still like those coon dead and out of sight when trapping those road side ditches.
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Post by 17HMR on Apr 27, 2008 6:06:55 GMT -6
Last year I used the pvc deal for skunks around dozer piles, old houses, and caught a few, mostly with fish + shellfish oil, but what I thought was goofy was that I was picking up a few coyotes in these also. There will be a new spot in the lure bucket for some shellfish oil next year.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 27, 2008 6:25:40 GMT -6
beav- you said once here that "its the pipe, not the bait or lure that attracts" and I'm wondering if my lure/bait is why pipe color doesn't matter.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 27, 2008 8:30:39 GMT -6
Do you catch skunks In your Pipe sets? My pipe sets on dry land are filled with a fruit type bait I very seldom ever use fish or meat type baits On dry land. That is why I was so very surprised with my cat catches I still think It just goes back to the curiosity thing. Last year I ran over 150 160s for one month on dry land and only caught 10 skunks. I won't mention the other non target critters. But only 10 skunks. For some reason we just don't have a lot of skunks. When I did the CWD study and they were paying $10.00 bucks for skunks I could only come up with 18 and that Included 4 road kills. I guess I'm just lucky not to have to deal with them. But like I said 80% of my Pipe sets are In the water and the other 20% are right In the coon trail and the coon has to step over the pipe to get by It. And I can say to this day I NEVER caught a skunk In a Pipe set.
Most likely If your On location and you have bait that Is attractive to your target animal The pipe Is pretty much a bait holder and you could use any thing In this situation. But If your not on location and that coon Isn't all that cranked up about snacking, the white color just might trip his trigger. No one will ever convince me that black is better or for that matter equal to white In the long haul. In 80% of the time they both are just a way to contain bait but In those Iffy situations I'll use white I know It will give me that small edge.
I did another test with boxes and pipe but that's another thread.
Here's something to ponder. Can coon even see color?
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Post by trappnman on Apr 27, 2008 9:18:07 GMT -6
yes, white most likely would produce better if off location.....
but who would set off location.....?
actually, a serious question- and I'm betting you are like me- you are setting up the same locations at the same times of the year, every year.
beav I'm guessing that the majority of your coon footholds, are early sets? Presnow, prewinter? Then you go to 160s? The reason I ask this is because I find that real cold weather coon, are hard to attract to normal baits and lures. That coon during this time, are fair less interested in snacking then snacking. Curiousity killed the cat, and in this case the coon also.
I'll not argue that coon are very visually orientated. A dirthole in the woods covered by leaves, is far less usccessfukl than that same dirt hole, with the leaves removed to a 4-5 foot circle around the set. I'd no more leave leaves (lol) over the trap than to leave it unset. It's that important.
but on the pipe, in water, on location, I didn't see where the color of the pipe mattered- and a black pipe sticking out of a bank horizontal at a coon's eye level, is certainly very visible to a coon walking along the creek.
I should add that white pipe or black pipe- I always clear off the snow around the pipe- that black circle in snow really stands out. I clear off the bank more for the extra heat it gives the set location- that little bit makes a real difference in keeping sets open or froze in. Its a reason almost all of my winter water sets are full sun sets.
but yet, the white pipes, are just as successful on snow covered banks. Many, many times we get snow ,then it warms up- and coon have no poblem finding the white pipes in sets almost buried in snow with just a few inces of pipe sticking out and sometimes not even that.
as with anything, winter patterns of movement are often different from summer or fall- coon tend to go to certain spots on creeks, and not wander all over them. Some of these locations can be predicted by the features present. Most can only be pinpointed through trial and error.
But once found-
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 27, 2008 10:49:30 GMT -6
I have 3 phases In coon trapping. First 10 days to 2 weeks Is running hard with a 160 road line. Then It's off to private property and wood lines fence lines and small creeks. And crop edges Trying to catch those coon that never get to the road. Early harvests really screw up this phase of coon trapping. You pray for heavy rain for awhile to keep the harvest backed up. I like to stay away from major water and major trap setting In those areas until later. I just catch to many small coon. Then It's off to the big water. Normally that's later In the year and most If not all the corn Is off and the coon migrate to where the most food Is. And that's in the water. This Is why Iowa produces so many coon. In places like Mn and WI and Mich where we have 100s of small wood lots they can travel back into the hard woods and work the mast crop but In Iowa It's mostly all corn ground and any stream will attract all the coon to that area. I'm sure RK has the same situation In Ne. Ks Is probably the same way. Big river trapping can be very productive but any heavy rain can put you out of commission real fast. That's why I set all the high and dry spots along the river. Dry pockets dry high bank trails. Punch and go sets Pipe sets. Pipe sets will take a good raise In water If your high enough to begin with. Most of these sets are coon takers and will let you stay in business when the water comes up.l We still drown our coon and those high bank body grip trail sets. well the law states that If your Intent Is to drown your good to go. Lots of coon struggle and fall off the bank and go down the wire but not all, but the intent was there. If you put In some major scouting and do your home work and have the time you can put up some big numbers. Big numbers never Impressed me,the work done to accomplish those numbers Is what Impresses me.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 27, 2008 10:53:37 GMT -6
You pray for heavy rain for awhile to keep the harvest backed up.
now you are just being mean- thats the shank of my coyote time.... I pray for bone dry and 24/7 harvests...LOL
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Post by dabrock on Apr 28, 2008 20:11:31 GMT -6
I have used 4" white pvc at water sets,have had good results, also use 2" and see no difference. have only used at water, but will try them dry this next season.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 28, 2008 21:03:46 GMT -6
I just find that the bigger pipe Is harder to get into the ground then the smaller pipe. And ease of hauling around and storing makes the smaller pipe more acceptable. If you are using the pipe for a tile type set or a pocket type set then I would opt for the bigger pipe.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 29, 2008 7:09:18 GMT -6
only advantage of pipes in multiple sizes, is you can stack them inside each other.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 29, 2008 11:34:57 GMT -6
Yes that Is a + when storing them . But It dosen't work to good when your pre baiting the pipes LOl
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