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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 22, 2008 13:00:55 GMT -6
But you can and will lose some pipe In deep water after a catch.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 22, 2008 17:22:42 GMT -6
I'm sticking to my observation that White has more eye appeal, no I have never tried black don't see the need. No "need" to, just responding to your observation in case someone with black pipe on hand, might want an opinion form one that used it before making this conclusion- White In my opinion will still out preform black with the same type of bait.
so you never tried them, but you KNOW they don't work as well.....? Can't argue with that...... carry on.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 22, 2008 21:38:59 GMT -6
Will you agree that white shows up better then black?
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Post by rk660 on Apr 23, 2008 0:52:47 GMT -6
about only time i run pvc is on shallow banks/crumbly banks that wont hold a pocket. sometimes on flat bank ill stick a piece straight up out of water a foot from shore and fill with grass to hold bait out of water. guide with a couple sticks in a V. If bank holds a pocket, I dont trouble myself with sticking pvc in bank as just one more thing to lug down. For building up pockets where bank caves in, I actually like 3-4" better than 2".
never tried on dry ground like beav does, but looks like it should work.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 23, 2008 7:23:40 GMT -6
Hey RK If you use PVC you can leave the shovel or your auger up on the bank. One less thing to haul down into the creek bottom LOl Another nice thing about PVC Is that If you have rising water conditions your sets willl still be working If your pipes are long enough.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 23, 2008 7:41:17 GMT -6
Will you agree that white shows up better then black?
against what? in snow, which is 90% of my use with them- you tell me. In woods without snow- yes I've said that 100 post ago.
it doesn't matter 1 iota if white shows up better. What matters is that end result, in creeks, is the same. No more, no less.
there are a lot of variables here- as I asked you ealier- do you think something horizonal to the bank in the coons eye of travel is more visible than something vertical down low?
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Post by rk660 on Apr 23, 2008 8:51:39 GMT -6
beav, I dont lug any of that stuff for coon trapping, trap stake is my hole maker, LOL.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 23, 2008 11:46:31 GMT -6
I thought you were making pockets It sounds like you are just making punch holes and smearing up the bank.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 24, 2008 7:43:16 GMT -6
This Is for argument sake. Most of us trap coon In non snow conditions. All that read this correct me If I'm wrong. So In my type of trapping White Is being used because the banks and shore lines are of a dark color. So In my opinion white stands out better. Lets say that coon Is on the other side of the creek and your got your set on this side what will show up better In a none snow condition. You will not all way's be picking the spot on location. Even If you do sometimes the coon will fool you. If I was trapping under snow conditions I would be trapping denning areas because that's where the coon are In WI at that time of year and I wouldn't be using PVC sets I would If I could be trapping right In the den with 160s Back to PVC sets. Steve asked If I thought the pipe would be more visible If It were sticking out of the bank or placed vertical up out of the water. Lots of variables here and I'm not sure of a answer. If you have the same amount of square Inches exposed It probably would be the same. Like I said I don't like to depend on banks to place my PVC In. Some banks are to low or there are none. Some banks are loose and won't hold a pipe well. Coon stands up and knocks the pipe down well In most cases you will miss that coon. In heavy clay type banks It a bear to drive the pipe Into position. I have tried all these situations and have gone back to vertical pipe It just suites my style a lot better and Is more versatile. It's up to each trapper try some black and try white and use It In different ways then you be the judge. Anyone painted their PVC blaze orange?
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Post by trappnman on Apr 24, 2008 8:08:22 GMT -6
beav- you can speculate all you want- and come to whatever conclusion you want.
My only point is this- I used black painted pipes hard one year and off and on mixed with white a few years after that. I never saw ANY difference in success- it didn't matter if a pipe was white or black. This is in water. A pipe in a bank is visual pretty much WHAT color it is.
I've also said that little grizs in the woods and leaves, were very unsuccessful until I painted them white, and then once they stated catching coon, the polished silver trap was attraction enough.
Is white more visible in than black in many settings? of course. but not all.
but in any case, its a moot point- because, I know, based on side by side usage- that black works as well as white in water.
in crumbly banks you use longer pipes. In winter crumbly banks are the norm, which is the use of pipes. if there is no bank, and there often isn't, I use it like you do but I prefer directional because it eliminates snapped traps for me.
I could care less if anyone uses black pipes or not- but I also won't agree that they work less effectively, when thats simply not true IN WATER OR IN BANKS ABOVE WATER.
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Post by Bristleback on Apr 24, 2008 10:19:03 GMT -6
Are you guys cutting the bottom of the PVC pipes in any sort of angle.....say 45-60 degree to allow for easier driving in?
Often times I would drive in the FS set at a 45 degree angle away from the bank.......I felt this would keep the coons front feet closer to the base/where the trap was placed........seemed to work well.................your thoughts?
Also, do any of you use 2 traps per set at the PVC set?.......When I first read about the FS set, 2 traps were encouraged.......for multiple catches.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 24, 2008 11:48:23 GMT -6
I have tried two traps at PVC sets but never saw any benefit from It. I find that the second trap Is better used in another set a couple of feet away. If you feel your missing some coon go to some subtle guiding On the side opposite from where the trap Is placed. For those hard to drive banks and those crumbly banks take and cut a angle on the pipe this will make It easier to drive. But the best way Is to bolt on a piece of re bar or angle Iron. This way you can get away with short sections of PVC and use the longer piece of iron to anchor the pipe. And with the angle cut shoved part way Into the bank would stabilize the pipe from turning. The best anchor devise I have found Is those old metal tent stakes they were tapered from about nothing up to about 1" wide at the top. They held really good In those banks and real easy to drive into those hard clay banks. They also work great when you have rocky or gravel bottoms It's a lot easier to shove that stake In then it Is to shove In that 2" PVC, even If It's cut on a angle. I have even placed some spring clips on Rail road tie plates and shoved the PVC down on the clips to hold It to the tie plate. This worked real good on gravel and sandy bottom situations. Heck I have even hung the PVC from tree branches where I couldn't get to the bank or the water was a bit deep. I just let It hang about 18" or so above the water surface. Caught a few coon this way. They would stand up and play with that pipe trying to get the bait out and you would just about be guaranteed of a back foot catch. I never made a lot of these sets but they do work In the right situation.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 24, 2008 12:13:33 GMT -6
I often build a rock cradle to hold a pipe.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 24, 2008 14:27:37 GMT -6
Are they dark colored rocks or lite colored rock and do you use lite color rocks with the black pipe for a contrasting color scheme. And do you pack them In from the road LOl The devil made me do It LOl
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Post by trappnman on Apr 24, 2008 15:09:27 GMT -6
meanie...
white actually...LOL...limestone. I'll put te pipe in acradle, and make a little rock wall around the trap all except the deep water sdie. Looks silly, but it allows a set where none can be made. I have made rock cubbies in this area, but they always need to be rebuilt.
regarding loosing pipe-s dark water and deep, staked coon wil lloose a lto of pipes. Most times, slide cable coon leave pipe undisturbed. Most of mine freeze in so it doesn't become a problem- but I HAVE wired them to the stake stake to save them in non drowning. log drags also leave pipes untouched. Actually, in small streams, log drags are the way to go- live coon so not waterlogged, no chewing cause mobile, and 100% set preservation.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 24, 2008 20:29:38 GMT -6
Ya got to think out of the box. Do what it takes to put the steel on that critter.
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Post by rk660 on Apr 24, 2008 22:38:39 GMT -6
I like that idea of the angled cut. gonna have to do that next time. I had them in a cardboard box that got wet and and a few spilled out on floor, and in I come in dark and feet go out from under neith me, pissed me off so much they all hit the garbage can.
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Post by RdFx on Apr 24, 2008 23:00:24 GMT -6
WHimp!
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 25, 2008 6:51:10 GMT -6
See what happens when you use BLACK PVC If you would have used WHITE you would have seen It and not fallen. Of coarse It might have had something to do with what you were doing before you came home. Now lets not be blaming It on the Innocent PVC LOL
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Post by trappnman on Apr 25, 2008 7:33:28 GMT -6
160 on land are worthless- they don't catch coon and they never will...
oops...never used one..but stilll.....
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