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Post by trap4life on Apr 20, 2008 18:42:51 GMT -6
Has anyone ever used the pvc set?
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 20, 2008 18:58:14 GMT -6
thebeav.topcities.com/fall03/fall03.html#pvcThis works for me. In my opinion I like to keep the pipe vertical I feel I have more control where the coon places It's feet over lets say a pipe that Is driven into the bank In the horizontal or on a angle. It's just like a dirt hole and how many coon have you caught In dirt holes? But the main reason why It's effective Is that It has EYE APPEAL. A coon may not all way's be hungry but It's all way's curious.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 20, 2008 19:54:10 GMT -6
beav- do you use a lot of these sets? If it works for you it works and you obviously know what you are doing-- but I have a lot of misses with that type of placement. Esp as shown in your water set- I find I have as many working the bank as the water.
we evolved into totally opposite thoughts on pipes, interesting- I look forward to discussing this more at WI.
I also would think that a vertical or horizontal pipe, would give you much more precise foot placement.
I use a lot of pipes- my favorite is a sheer bank and a horizontal pipe. I've use them on an angle on sand bars, etc- but by far have less snapped traps with horizontal. On a sheer bank, in 2-10 inches of water, I like pipe up aobut 18 inches, pipe sticking out about 8, and trap right under lip.
on land or angled sets, pipe at a 45, aobut 10-12 inches out of ground, trap again under lip.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 20, 2008 20:25:57 GMT -6
Like I said on dry land sets It's just like a dirt hole and a little guiding will help but In my situation I have found the coon works the pipe very hard and moves around a lot. I normally use the PVC In the water like I show with a steep bank as a backing the coon just about has to work the pipe from the trap side. You could use some guiding but I don't feel It's that important. But In both situations you need to have a well bedded trap. My problem with a pipe placed In the bank In the horizontal position or one set up in a angled position Is that the coon will have It's back feet back so far while It works the pipe with It's front feet that I get a lot of worked sets but no coon. I also have found that they can and will work the end of the pipe from the side. I have found that trap placement Is much more critical In the above situations. And more guiding Is needed. I use more of these sets In the water then I do on land. On land I use the PVC where there Is no cover In the coon trail so I can't place a 160. Just to many refusals In those open trails. But the pipe placed right In the mouth of the tube will get you those coon. I would normally place the trap a lot closer to the mouth of the culvert then In my Pic but those new concrete culverts have a poured apron and It's hard to stake. But on a normal metal tube you can drive the pipe right up close to the lip of the tube and that will cut down on the coons approach to just the front side. The type of bait doesn't seem to make a lot of difference but lots of It will make a difference It just keeps the coon moving around at the set and you have a lot better chance of putting the steel on It.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 21, 2008 6:31:18 GMT -6
Is that the coon will have It's back feet back so far while It works the pipe with It's front feet
which is why the trap is at the lip of the pipe. Never had a problem with them not finding the trap.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 21, 2008 7:07:43 GMT -6
Are you front footing most of your coon or catching them by the back foot? I have also had coon pull the pipe out of the bank. Well I'm not sure they pulled it out but I believe they tried to climb on it or pulled down on It when they worked It with their front feet. Needless to say I had no catch. I just feel when a coon works a horizontal pipe or a angled pipe with trap placement under the lip of the pipe that his hind feet are way to far back for consistent back foot catches.
I would also think the height of the Pipe would be critical. If the pipe was placed high the coon would be standing that would bring It's hind feet In closer but would have both of It's front feet high and In the pipe. Better chance for a hind foot catch. The lower the pipe the farther back the coons feet would be but you will have the coon most likely working the pipe with one foot and the other close to the trap. Most of my coon are front foot caught . I know It's because my pipe only sticks up above the ground or waters surface about 6 to 8" this lets the coons front feet work up close to the pipe and In most cases It has only one foot In the pipe and one foot on the ground. I've caught 1000s of coon In dirt holes and most of them are caught by a front foot same as with pockets. One foot In the hole and one foot to steady It. I'm sure you catch coon In your set up but I feel that your pipe placement Is more critical then the way I do It.
This Is the best advice I can give to a coon trapper. If It's legal get some coon pups and raise them up to adult size. Those coon will teach you plenty. About 30 years ago my children raised some orphaned coon pups. It was a very enlightening experience.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 21, 2008 7:24:34 GMT -6
in water, a coon is going to approach on all 4s- hes not going to reach up until the pipe-
I base my pipe height on the bototm, not the water- so in 2" of water the pipe will be a foot or more up, in 10" just a couple of inches.
I guess what this shows- is it doesn't matter an iota on the pipes position or angle- seems like the range is from absolutely vertical to perfectly horizontal.
angled and horizontal do keep water out, if thats a concern.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 21, 2008 7:45:12 GMT -6
With your pipes full of bait rain has no effect on It. Remember Eye appeal Is the key to this set, not the bait. I stuff Insulation In the bottom of the pipe I leave about 4" at the bottom empty so when i drive the pipe It won't push out the bait. then fill the pipe with bait and load them In 5 gal buckets. I have a driver that fits over the pipe so your not driving directly on the pipe with your hammer. This driver also helps keep the bait out of your face. Lol
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Post by trappnman on Apr 21, 2008 8:05:11 GMT -6
One thing that I don't agree on, at least in water and probably in the woods as well, and thats that the bait/lure isn't important. In winter, it very much does make the difference. Black pipes work just as well in water btw.
If its only the pipe, why use any bait or lure?
I use so few pipes on land, that I don't have enough data to compare- but for sure, on lil griz, until I painted them white, I didn't have much success in the woods.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 21, 2008 11:55:12 GMT -6
Well when It's winter In WI the coon don't move any more. We don't live In the banana belt like you do.LOl White In my opinion will still out preform black with the same type of bait. I have caught coon with out bait In these pipes but they were right at the mouth of the culvert or where the coon had to step over the pipe. Well there may have been some residual bait smell there. It's all about eye appeal and being on location. As with all trapping.
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Post by raynard on Apr 21, 2008 14:38:03 GMT -6
Started using it last year and had real good results with it. I only used it for water sets and positioned the pipe in the vertical position. Like Gary said, pretty much any bait works..... sweet, fishy, didn't seem to matter.
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Post by tomcat3006 on Apr 21, 2008 16:02:59 GMT -6
Use alot of PVC Pipe sets and love them. It's a quick, easy set to make and works great.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 21, 2008 20:22:54 GMT -6
White In my opinion will still out preform black with the same type of bait.
in woods- yes. in good water locations, I haven't seen the difference. Had a bunch at 1 time someone spray painted black in 10 ft sections, and I got them free. Results were similar. I use white now because easier to get.
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Post by raynard on Apr 21, 2008 21:07:40 GMT -6
If black works just as well as the white for water sets, that interests me because there must still be an eye appeal value to the set, yet I would think that black would not be as noticeble to thieves.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 21, 2008 21:36:44 GMT -6
If I worried about thieves i wouldn't set a trap. With high fur prices thieves are looking for fur not traps they are to lazy to set their own traps. I'll still stand by the eye appeal thing It just gives you that little edge.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 22, 2008 10:42:06 GMT -6
beav- how many sets have you used with black pvc pipe?
I've used a lot of black painted pipe- and I've use a lot of white pipe. I stanbd by my statement, that in water, with my sets and locaitons, black vs white means nothing...
have the snow off the bank- and the location AND the pipe does the job.
I've caught 100s of coon in snow and white pipes btw....
consider how a coon works a creek- the edge up and down the creek? How with he first then see the pipe? Wouldn't horizontal, be more visible?
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 22, 2008 11:25:04 GMT -6
I'm sticking to my observation that White has more eye appeal, no I have never tried black don't see the need. But they do say that once you go black you never go back. I wonder if they are talking about PVC LOl If your spot on location then color Is probably a moot point and your smells take over. I bet If you put one of those small blinking red lights on your pipe It would really bring them in. Lol
I just like the pipe In the vertical position. I have had pipe pulled down out of the bank and no coon I have not had that happen with vertical pipe. Yes I have had them cleaned out and no coon but never pulled out. I also find It a lot easier to push the pipe Into the muddy bottom of a stream then to try and put It In the bank. Also In rocky streams It's very easy to pile some rocks around the base of the pipe to hold It In position and to leave a spot open for the trap. There are also a lot of flat banks where I trap and It would be hard to find any vertical banks In these areas. But a brushy limb placed behind the pipe will guide the coon Into position.
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Post by Bristleback on Apr 22, 2008 11:54:43 GMT -6
Beav, and anyone else.........on trap placement.........on your pic, you show the trap on the "outside" or deeper water side of the pipe........why not put the trap between the bank and the pipe........?
I've used the "fish stick" set........which IMO is similar....but I put the trap between land (in the water) and the stick......which has worked very very well.......
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 22, 2008 12:36:54 GMT -6
Good point, but In my picture this Is a spring seep and the water Is about 3 to 4" deep In the whole area and very narrow In width. So In this situation I used the bank as backing since I knew the coon where working this whole area and not just working along the high bank. Now If this would have been a stream like situation with deep water and a ledge of shallow water along the high bank I could have placed the pipe out from the bank and used the deeper water behind the pipe for backing and formed a walk through type set. But I still could have placed It up against the bank and caught the same coon. But I would assume that with the pipe and the trap out at the edge of deep water I would have had more eye appeal. But If your spot on location It won't make much difference. Yes these PVC sets are similar to the fish stick sets but they are easier to contain your bait and have a lot better eye appeal and they also replace the need for pocket sets. If you feel the need for guiding a few forked branches stuck In the bottom with just the tops sticking out will guide the coon to where you want It to go.
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Post by Bristleback on Apr 22, 2008 12:47:16 GMT -6
Thanks........never thought I needed any more guiding in the water..... Sure like the idea of PRE LOADING the PVC pipes.... Also, a good idea on the oversized driver/cap......this isn't your first rodeo is it? LOL
On the FS set, you can really make this virtually invisable from a bank/bridge with lurking eyes.........slide the critter off into deeper water if applicable.
Once in a while I'd have a coon wrap up around a FS set....a few times be gone....pulled free, grrrr.....that would give an advantage to the PVC set over the FS set.
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