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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 3, 2008 6:18:29 GMT -6
I make my own out of 1/4" cold rolled steel and have changed mine to have (2) 1/4" nuts welded on opposite sides at the top, this way you can change out the wire on top, and not worry about the weld breaking on your support wire making it useless until rewelded, I find this so far to be a big improvement. I heat the ends up and pound them flat, makes a spade will work well in "most" soils. I use 11 gauge wire for the support. Each to his own.
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Post by robertw on Apr 3, 2008 6:50:42 GMT -6
TC38, If you "spin" the wire around the support rod like in the picture they will last a long tiome (for ever) with out breaking. Some of these supports I have been using for ten years and have not had a broken wire yet.
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Post by johnthomas on Apr 3, 2008 7:47:45 GMT -6
the one or maybe more fellers have it right, the ogorman simplicity support is a knock off, and it is only a short 3/8 rebar with a 3 foot no.9 wire welded at the top, no twist, no link, just a short weld, no waher on top, sposed to stake or tie to trees on the snare end, was a bit of a rage sometime back to use a long snare with a disposeable stake already on the end of the snare, rolled up and neatly tied to the support rod, fellow was sposed to grab several and go walking out to make several set quick and neat with mnimum of tools and tangles etc., was some nebraska boys usin it, rich probly knows them, thats just all there is to the support system, nothing else.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 3, 2008 8:24:49 GMT -6
I make my own out of 1/4" cold rolled steel and have changed mine to have (2) 1/4" nuts welded on opposite sides at the top, this way you can change out the wire on top, and not worry about the weld breaking on your support wire making it useless until rewelded, I find this so far to be a big improvement
I like that idea
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Post by greyscat on Apr 3, 2008 10:22:34 GMT -6
the pole in the background. is that for 2 snares ?
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Post by musher on Apr 3, 2008 18:03:12 GMT -6
Just curious: Why don't you take a rod with with a "slot" cut in it, lay your #9 wire across the ground and through the slot, pound in the rod to "set" your wire, and use the #9 wire as a support?
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Post by robertw on Apr 3, 2008 18:12:12 GMT -6
Musher, When you come up 20-30 inches with #9 wire it is not solid enough (esp with wind), especially if you are tieing vegatation to your support to blend it in or to create a pinch point in the trail.
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Post by Bristleback on Apr 3, 2008 21:37:27 GMT -6
Agree 100% with RW, I know folks talk about simply using #9, bend it at the bottom and shove it in the ground with their driver/slotted screw driver........but like RW pointed out it's too flimsey for me anyway. I like my locks, springs, BAD up and out of the way of coyotes face......so I likely hang mine a little higher than some. The height of the bottom of the loop is the KEY.
Also, one of the keys to effectively snaring is having a solid support..............so the snare will FIRE. Try it sometime, trip a snare on a flimsey support........then fire the same snare on a solid support........a good snare will FIRE/TRIP/SLAM SHUT far better on a solid support.
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Post by BadDog on Apr 3, 2008 22:14:42 GMT -6
So I agree with all... the MSS... YUCK
Not a bad support Robert, very similar to one that I demo-ed in Blackfoot about 5 years ago.
So seeing as I am evry tired of welding and am not good at it with my tiny little Lincon Mig, how much for your supports Rich?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 4, 2008 6:33:25 GMT -6
robert I have had some break along the wire after wrapping 4 times around, could be because I'm using 11ga and not the big 9ga, hard frozen ground maybe part of the problem, either way once I weld those nuts on there's no getting them off. I make mine all 30" long and spray paint them to blend, the last thing I hated was getting into a bottom of a draw and having one weld break and then it just sit's and spins and does you no good. I'm finding the nut's more to my liking, yes I have plenty of the welded ones I still use too, but will make only the nut type from now on.
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Post by robertw on Apr 4, 2008 7:12:59 GMT -6
TC38, Good for you.
The ones pictured above I have used for about 7-10 years. I still have a large number of the first ones I ever built and so far have not had a wire break, or if I have had one just don't remember it.
I preferr the #9 wire supports but several trappers really wanted the 12 1/2 gauge supports during the drought a few years ago in Wyoming and Nebraska.
For those of you looking to build your own supports...Instead of buying new material you can always cut up your old rusted coon & coyote stretchers and use the rod material. (I did when I first made these). I have also welded washers to the rod instead of the flat tab pictured as the "anti-spin" device to keep the support solid in the ground.
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Post by rk660 on Apr 4, 2008 8:05:51 GMT -6
Ive used some for 2 years now, and havent had one break, I would say generally Robert is right and they should give years of service w/o breaking. I use a softer black annealed wire on them.
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Post by BadDog on Apr 4, 2008 8:21:18 GMT -6
Repeat: How much a dozen Rich?
I think it's okay to say when asked.
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Post by Freak( Jim V.) on Apr 4, 2008 10:47:44 GMT -6
I will say that I am very hard on eqipment and tend to just throw chit around and yank em out anyways possible. i didnt have any problems with Roberts supports and am planning on getting more. Love the easy transporting of them vs devils hatpons. the hatpins always ended up a mess tangled with everything. Roberts , just wrap em up when done and store em in a 5 gallon bucket.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 4, 2008 10:53:46 GMT -6
what am I missing here? aren't they just #9 wire wrapped around a stake and spot welded?
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Post by robertw on Apr 4, 2008 12:16:46 GMT -6
And with a spade welded onto the support rod to keep it from turning in the wind.
The "catch" is that these are nearly indistructable and will last for ever, escpecially when compared to anything else currently on the market.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 4, 2008 12:34:44 GMT -6
isn't #9 wire pretty much #9 wire?
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Post by robertw on Apr 4, 2008 12:47:00 GMT -6
NO, There many kinds of wire in the #9 size, some is hard, some is soft.
The thing is "how" the wire is attached to the support so it does not always flex at the same point (like close to a weld) and become stressed and break off.
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Post by rk660 on Apr 4, 2008 13:45:11 GMT -6
The price on the R.W. support systems are 27.95 per doz on both Roberts original and the frozen ground style. I havent figured up a volume pricing on multiple dozens as of yet, but will come up something.
Steve, there is hard gavinized wire and black annealed, and even different grades of annealed depending on how mallebell its wanted.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 4, 2008 14:10:10 GMT -6
cold rolled 1/4" isn't too out of line and you can make up a pile if you have a welder and some time for 60.00 in materials for sure! Cold rolled is far tougher than softer steel and holds up better IMO. In this drought area 9ga sticks out more so than 11 ga wire does and I find the 11 ga to hang a nice snare loop when using all 1x19 for my coyote snares.
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