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Post by Wright Brothers on Mar 31, 2008 10:08:29 GMT -6
I'm interested in if you guys think a river over 460 YARDS wide, will SLOW coyotes from dispersing?
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Post by trappnman on Mar 31, 2008 10:15:41 GMT -6
about a 1/4 of a mile wide?
yes
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 31, 2008 10:51:41 GMT -6
if it freezes, they are across. and I`ve seen the buggars run over on interstate bridges. it`s defnitly a deterrant, but not impossible for them to swim accross either. heck, look at ancient peoples crossing the atlantic or pacific and we are puds compared to a coyote.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 31, 2008 11:23:53 GMT -6
yes, but open water of that width, would sure slow them down.
smaller stuff- I see all the time where they cross water 1-2 feet deep and 30-40 yards wide- in facto ne stream I saw 2 years ago- had a major trail going across similar.
fox hate to get their feet wet it seems, coyotes not so much. I always get 1-2 a year in coon water sets, never a fox. Fox seem to walk and stomp down the snow above the trap, but won't go in.
Tree crossing here are allmost always fox, not yotes. ice for sure- many of the backwater islands of the Upper Mississippi have more fox and yotes on them than one would guress.
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Post by Bob Jameson on Mar 31, 2008 17:42:36 GMT -6
I have seen both deer and coyote swim our monongahela river which can be 200-300 plus yards very handily in the late fall and winter. I have trapped river and bay islands that held a fair population of canines over the years. Large bodies will discourage but if they have a mind, reason or forced in some manner they are going swimming.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 31, 2008 17:59:22 GMT -6
yes- but the question was does it slow down migration- and I have to believe it does.
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Post by coyotewhisperer on Mar 31, 2008 19:15:21 GMT -6
I watched a bobcat swim a twenty yard creek last year.
Jeff
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Post by Griz on Mar 31, 2008 20:04:19 GMT -6
Caveat information indicates that they WILL cross, but I have to agree with Tman that I would think that it would slow down dispersal: not stop it.
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Post by SteveCraig on Mar 31, 2008 20:19:31 GMT -6
It hasnt slowed em down in the last 30 years, what makes you think it will now? I remember when there were NO coyotes in eastern Ill and western Indiana, and eastward. They crossed alot of rivers to get there!
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Post by robertw on Mar 31, 2008 20:27:09 GMT -6
Yes, but the Mississippi does freeze over.
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Post by marbleyez2001 on Mar 31, 2008 21:28:46 GMT -6
There are plenty of bridges that cross big rivers.
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Post by northof50 on Mar 31, 2008 22:17:55 GMT -6
It has been my experience to see yotes swim great distances.When I worked in research for DU it was nothing tosee them swim 1/2 miles across lakes to get to islands, they may have remember they were there in the winter 4 months before, but they returned and did they ever clean=up on the duck nest.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 1, 2008 7:22:56 GMT -6
yes coyotes swim, yes coyotes cross rivers- but the quesion- does a BIG river SLOW migration-
YES-
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Post by irnhdmike on Apr 1, 2008 7:27:22 GMT -6
Might slow them down some. There are islands here in the bay of fundy farther than that and they have coyotes on them. Cold water year round and extremely strong currents. Never freezes over.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 1, 2008 7:30:44 GMT -6
yes, we have coyotes going to islands in the mississipppi on the ice.
but does the mississippi provide a barrier to NORMAL migration? Does it SLOW it down.....
how can one NOT say yes, with a river that is often miles in width?
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Post by tonymalone on Apr 1, 2008 10:32:24 GMT -6
i'm sure it slow it down, but i too use to see em cross the I-40 bridge at Memphis, TN. in the late 70"s on my way to work, only seen em cross west to east, never seen one cross east to west.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 1, 2008 12:51:46 GMT -6
how you going to keep them down on the farm after they have seen memphis? I`d think the dumpster behind the pizza ghut would be to die for. plus egghead easterners( like the dnr of INDIANA) think they need seasons and protected etc.
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Post by freepop on Apr 2, 2008 14:02:31 GMT -6
I have seen both deer and coyote swim our monongahela river which can be 200-300 plus yards very handily in the late fall and winter. I have trapped river and bay islands that held a fair population of canines over the years. Large bodies will discourage but if they have a mind, reason or forced in some manner they are going swimming. I was curious where you were at Bob, my Grandmother lived in Charleroi.
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Post by Bob Jameson on Apr 2, 2008 18:00:32 GMT -6
I lived in Charleroi for a few years until I built my log home. I now live about 10 miles away close to California University in a small farming area called Daisytown.
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Post by freepop on Apr 3, 2008 11:23:45 GMT -6
Cool Bob, small world, Gramma lived near the stop light by Corning, 5th street?? I've been to Union Town and somehow ended up on a bear hunt in Ontario with a couple of guys from there. I remember seeing the signs for California when I was on the highway.
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