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Post by trappnman on Mar 10, 2008 17:49:04 GMT -6
saw elsewhere someone asking about what a crossover was, and the only answer also stated that where he was, the crossovers were usually on the ends of the dam.
The only dams I see are in faster water creeks, and the crossovers there are usually only the spillway is present, or in the center if no spillway.
Whats your experinces on crossover position? Do different type streams (slow water, marshes, etc) have different patterns of crossovers?
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Post by coyotewhisperer on Mar 10, 2008 18:11:39 GMT -6
Majority of mine are in the middle
some are on the edge
Not a money set in my area
watching the beaver dvd everyone is talking about the beaver don't always cross there either.
Jeff
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Post by coonhangman1 on Mar 10, 2008 18:20:36 GMT -6
Same Here Steve, right over the middle.
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Post by marbleyez2001 on Mar 10, 2008 18:22:52 GMT -6
Im used to pond systems. Seems to depend where the water is flowing out of them. Wherever the main water is flowing below the dam is usualy where the crossovers are. On larger dans, you usualy get the braids, and thats where the crossovers start showing up on the edges.
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Post by ColdSteel on Mar 10, 2008 18:24:29 GMT -6
Most of my crossovers around here are in the center of the creek which is the main run.In most case its hard for me to get a good set with a conibear on the upside of the crossover so I set the downside and if possible set 2 or 3 more below the crossover.All my conibears have 10 to 12 foot of cable on them and I dont stake down the trap I want the beaver well out of sight of others using the crossover..As for crossovers on the sides I alway set them up also and in alot of cases the otter are the ones using the end crossovers
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 10, 2008 19:37:56 GMT -6
I really don't think In most cases there Is a defined cross over. Sure we all set the natural places where there Is water running over the dam. But sometimes that Is not the place to set. What I normally look for when I see water running over the dam Is If the lower side Is beaver friendly. Some times It's not. And that goes for other spots on the dam as well. How many of you place a bit of castor In spots on the dam to make setting a trap more adventitious to you as the trapper. You might just want to think about that when beaver trapping on dams.It works on canines.
If your just setting the natural water run overs you are missing a lot of beaver. An di didn't have to watch any DVD to come to that conculsion. LOl
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Post by ColdSteel on Mar 10, 2008 19:45:55 GMT -6
Good point Beav I smear castor at some crossings myself I know I will be thumping some of those coons crossing the dams also no bait just a blind set.I have never really taken advantage setting beaver dams and with coon prices up its time to change no telling how many coons fox or cats I can take in just blind sets
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 10, 2008 20:07:33 GMT -6
If you can hang some snares on those dams you will just tear up some coon and cats. Everything uses those dams as creek crossings. Get em drowned just like the beaver and otter.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 10, 2008 20:23:00 GMT -6
I don't smear castor on the crossings per se, but I do smear a little on the dam at a couple of points, then have a couple of 330s set on the bottom tight to the dam.
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 10, 2008 21:04:24 GMT -6
The castor may not actually be on a cross over It's used when the cross over Isn't all that noticeable and you need to put that beaver where you want It to go not where It wants to go. Same as directing that canine to the set. Some cross overs are a given. When I set on the low side of the dam I will In about 98% of the time set so that the body grip Is completely under water with a dive stick over the top. That may be 5 or 6 feet from the breast of the dam I want that beaver to be swimming In a level mode under water. Not diving off the breast of the dam. But every situation Is different. But I was told by a very good beaver trapper that If at all possible set both the high side and the low side of the dam.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 10, 2008 21:09:51 GMT -6
When I set on the low side of the dam I will In about 98% of the time set so that the body grip Is completely under water with a dive stick over the top.
you would set zero traps here then on crossover/spillways. I have to work to make 330s legal on the bottom side.
on the top side, I have little success with 330s- but good success with blind footholds. If a ledge isn't present- I supose 50/50 on that, 2 sticks into the springs holding the trap works well.
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Post by coyotewhisperer on Mar 10, 2008 21:16:55 GMT -6
Yes bottom side of my dams a 330 is half out of the water
thats legal here but if i've already spooked them with 330 castor mound sets it aint gonna work or if they are just spooky in general.
down stream farther it is deep enough but you cant figure out where to fully submerge the conibear atleast i cant.
I've put them submerged against points for a BE but some of those took two weeks or more to connect and i know the beaver were there the whole time.
Jeff
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Mar 10, 2008 21:36:03 GMT -6
For me every dam is different.
And for sure different types of waterways will have different spots they cross.
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 10, 2008 21:40:15 GMT -6
The top side can be effective with a 330 with un trapped populations but a 750 on the top side Is more effective.
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Post by robertw on Mar 10, 2008 21:46:54 GMT -6
It all depends on the dam, each dam is different.
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Post by ColdSteel on Mar 10, 2008 21:47:47 GMT -6
Very true Beav but I like my 3 day checks on submerged conibears myself especially with this high dollar gas unless I am doing adc work it doesn't bother me to leave a few catch the dumb ones and move on
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 10, 2008 21:55:57 GMT -6
some small red dog wood tops or any other small brushy tops can be placed In front and off to the sides of the body grip to sort of camouflage It. Just keep the tops just barley out of the water. And keep the trigger wires under water. I have been trying a few of those RBGs and they seem to blend In better or just give that tunnel look. Can't say they are the real deal though.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Mar 10, 2008 22:04:03 GMT -6
Tony you dont have three day checks on drowning sets?
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 11, 2008 7:36:40 GMT -6
SC Has a 24 hour check on every thing. And that realy sucks.
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Post by ColdSteel on Mar 11, 2008 11:06:04 GMT -6
No we don't Steven as stated all dams are different,I do that method to Beav also what works good for me is cut 4 forked stricks place 2 forks on each side of trap and lay a large log on each side to funnel the animal in the trap.To me this setup looks more natural.I aso carry a small set of loppers with me to cut sticks and laps or whatever I will need.They are the best tool I have ever used beaver trapping.I can cut beaver sticks up to 11/2" in seconds standing in waist deep water try doing that with a hatchett plus by using loppers I can cut branches real fast and choke off creek runs and channles very fast
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