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Post by trappnman on Mar 5, 2008 12:49:11 GMT -6
well John Graham is where I was told not to use it! its on the instruction sheets I believe
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Post by archer109 on Mar 5, 2008 12:49:48 GMT -6
Really in his cat video he uses a little of it under the pan.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 5, 2008 12:59:49 GMT -6
LOL
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Post by Bristleback on Mar 5, 2008 14:22:44 GMT -6
Sounds like I used toooooo much poly...........grrrrrrrrrrr
Oh well, so much for the...........it won't freeze, collect water.....yada yada....LOL
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Post by trappnman on Mar 5, 2008 16:01:20 GMT -6
it resists water to a degree- but its more that it doesn't wick in water from the air like cotton.
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Post by 3n on Mar 5, 2008 19:59:18 GMT -6
If your going to try sand..go to a gravel yard and ask for pea gravel..it's less than 1/4 inch..here I can get a pickup load for $7.00..haven't tried waxing it ... Bob Maier or Stef can give you the low down.
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Post by forestman on Mar 6, 2008 9:11:52 GMT -6
I have heard of useing waxed sand before and they say it doesn`t take as much wax to make it as waxed dirt because the dirt absorbs so much of it and the sand just gets coated.That sounds great but how do you keep what ever you blend over your sand from freezing?You don`t just leave that white sand showing do you?
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Post by Stef on Mar 6, 2008 9:32:29 GMT -6
If you're not trapping in sand. You need to top dress with a thin layer of your let say darker dirt. Like you do let say with peat moss just a little blending you know.
Like I said... If the set surrounded area is soaking wet, your top dress will be wet also. As soon as the sun goes out..the first spot that will be dry, it will be right on top of your trap where the waxed sand is. In other words, it dries pretty quick.
For coyotes, if very very wet, cold at night and if I'm using dirt holes... sometimes I will spray the top dress with a liquid antifreeze. But most of the time i don't do that anymore because the top dress is so thin and the coyote is heavy enough to fire the trap easily and my #3 four coils will get the job done.
On flat set, scent post... I won't use antifreeze. I know my waxed sand won't freeze and I won't touch my sets until there's a feet of snow on top of them.. I let them aged.
For foxes and dirt holes... I like to spray the top dress with a liquid antifreeze. Foxes are so light and I don't want a miss any. Also, by spraying the loose dirt and trap pattern in front of the hole... that makes like an always fresh dirt pattern that foxes are really attracted to.
Good luck
Stef
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Post by forestman on Mar 6, 2008 10:17:09 GMT -6
Thanks Stef. Mostly fox around here so can you tell me what is in the liquid antifreeze?It kept raining and freezing to much this year for evan a lite covering on the peatmoss.
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Post by Stef on Mar 6, 2008 17:15:45 GMT -6
I like glycol propylene mixed with water 50/50
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Post by forestman on Mar 6, 2008 18:43:35 GMT -6
Thanks Stef.Do you use this after every rain and do you spray it untill it all looks wet or just mist?Sorry I don`t mean to annoy you I am just trying to make sure I can keep my traps working next year.LOL
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Post by trappnman on Mar 6, 2008 19:14:22 GMT -6
it has to be replaced after every rain- stef, Im surprised that you get good results with it 50/50- I have it freeze at 10 and below if mixed tat strength- I like it 2/3 glycol
a heavy mist works well to belend
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Post by Stef on Mar 6, 2008 19:18:34 GMT -6
If the top dress is humid ( its always humid here ) In the night... if below 32F it will freeze so i sprayed the trap pattern and also the surrounded ares of the trap pattern because of the white frost we get almost everynight. If you spray only right above the trap... You will show to the critter exactly where the pan is and that spot won't be white...I don't think that its a good idea in the long run
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Post by trappnman on Mar 6, 2008 21:50:56 GMT -6
stef- does it work at 50/50 in very cold? it doesn't for me at 50/50 under 10 below with any reliability- some will be froze in, some not, not pattern so its got to be borderline at that temp.
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Post by Stef on Mar 6, 2008 22:16:09 GMT -6
Steve, when its 10 below here.... if no snow, its powder dry so I won't use any glycol anyway. I rarely have the opportunity to trap real frozen bare ground. My major use for glycol will be from the beginning of the season to around the end of November. The temperature are rarely below 10F in November... In December.. we usually get our first big snow storm.... BTW, a feet of snow yesterday...another one coming next Saturday..we got more than 12ft of snow so far for this year.
Back to the topic, No, the time I use it, I don't have problem using the 50/50 mix. But like I said.... I don't use a lot of liquid anti freeze now because with waxed sand... I have less bad dreams when I go sleeping at night ;D
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Post by castiron on Mar 7, 2008 7:14:01 GMT -6
You guys keep talking. I am reading and re-reading this post. Some very good information on here. Where I trap it usually gets below freezing of the night, then above freezing in the day. Usually have a little rain or snow mixed in every week. Very hard for me to keep sets working. Years ago seemed like it got colder, below freezing two or three weeks at a time. Much easier to keep traps working. Thanks guys for posting.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 7, 2008 10:13:07 GMT -6
glycol works perfect in tose type of situations castiron.
you CAN, with varying degrees of success- mist very heavy over a bedded trap, and get some antifreeze protection.
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