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Post by trappnman on Mar 13, 2008 18:23:54 GMT -6
I'm not clean skinning nor try to be anywhere close to clean skinning. you cannot rip and clean skin.....
and beav ain't clean skinning in 5 minutes either..that old man doesn't move THAT fast....
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 13, 2008 20:25:22 GMT -6
No way do I clean skin I'd be working the same beaver for hour I tried it, It don't work for me. I don't like the sound of all this pulling talk I do absolutely NO pulling. Another thing I hear Is these comments about having the problem with keeping the hide on the beam. I must be doing something right because I have no problems with hide slipping off the beam. If you start from the middle and work your way to the edges and just use your knife to turn the hide as you go you won't have a bit of trouble. I've seen some cleaned skinned hides and In most cases they have to do a certain amount of clean up when they board. I also see a lot of those false knife marks. When I'm done It's ready to nail out. Other then trimming off the lips and trimming up around the leg holes. The ear butts are fleshed off when I do the cheeks.
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Post by robertw on Mar 13, 2008 20:53:01 GMT -6
I always thought there should be a beaver skinning contest held at the national convention! Some of us are pretty fast by early summer.
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Post by musher on Mar 14, 2008 4:44:34 GMT -6
"Beav's way" means a 2x4 clamped on the edge of the table.
My buddy clean skins a beaver in about 20 minutes. then it's nailing time. He doesn't even own a beam. He entered the provincial championship just once. He won first prize. He says that the trick is a SHARP knife that you SKATE with.
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Post by jwr64 on Mar 14, 2008 5:51:03 GMT -6
I have limited space 8X8, so I made a small trough. Takes up less room than a table. Miss being able to spin them as you skin though. Beavs 2x4 sounds like it'd work good. I took the swivel out from under my wifes boat seat and put it on my trough. trough sets on a frame that folds up when not in use. kinda like a fleshing beam
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Post by ohiyotee on Mar 14, 2008 6:11:32 GMT -6
Have you guys ever seen , I think his name is phil, clean a beaver on his knee. Did it in ohio at the nta convention for nafa. it is something to see.
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 14, 2008 7:31:33 GMT -6
How dose he hold the beaver and skin It on his knee? You must mean fleshing over his knee. I use to do that until I found a faster method. 5min to rough skin 10min or so to flesh 4 or5 min to board. Now If I was doing Steve's or Bobs fur I would be a lot faster LOL
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Post by ohiyotee on Mar 14, 2008 7:41:21 GMT -6
He takes a rough skinned beaver and sitting in a chair puts the pelt centered on his knee. he then , using an extremely sharp knife he fleshes around the out side about 3 inches wide. He rotates the hide as he goes. This takes all of 2 mins maybe. Next he asks the crowd how long it will take him to do the rest? And in an amazing display he will finish the hide in under a minute , i saw it and it was timed with a stop watch, at exactly 43 seconds. truly amazing to see , in fact i made it a point to watch it when ever he had the stage.
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 14, 2008 8:55:57 GMT -6
Since I have nothing pressing today and for argument sake how long did It take him to "rough" skin the beaver and when your talking rough skinning how rough was It or was it cleaned skinned then Clean FLESHED over his knee? Those are two different things. I find It just about impossible to believe he could take a real "rough" skinned beaver and flesh It In less then a min. Give us all the details step by step.
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Post by ohiyotee on Mar 14, 2008 10:28:50 GMT -6
Well it was a rough skinned one similar to what i have when I'm done about 10 minutes for me , him i don't know how long . I hung around and asked him about the technique and he claimed it was a common practice in Canada to do it that way . with the fur down and it centered on his knee and after cleaning around the edge alittle as i stated above, He holds the knife at a 23 degree angle and makes long slicing strokes as he rotates the hide in a counter clock wise direction. With the starting of the blade at the center by his knee and working his way outward to the edge of the pelt.when finished less than one minute later the waste or fleshings are all in one piece. I wish i could remember his name , not even sure Phil is right. He claimed the knife he was using , which had obviously seen some action judging by the amount of blade left when compared to a new one , had done over 4000 beaver. If you know the nafa guys surly some one there will know of him. He was there with the fur prep demonstrations in Mansfield at the last national, the other guy with him was tall and slender soft spoken but very talkative i think he was from Wisc. very knowledgeable on fur handling.
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Post by ColdSteel on Mar 14, 2008 10:34:25 GMT -6
43 seconds I 'll take some of that especially if I can pick the beaver.I caught some this year that looked like 6 month old bear cubs .Not saying it can't be done but I 'd sure like to see it
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 14, 2008 10:37:37 GMT -6
I can find out who this guy is I'll be seeing Greg (the soft spoken guy) this week end.
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Post by bearcat on Mar 14, 2008 13:13:49 GMT -6
His name is Phil Patchin. He is at a lot of the conventions. I have seen him do this fleshing many times but none as fast or even close to as fast as what you are talking. Greg has him show his method anytime he is at the convention. Beav, I am sure you know him. he is always with the NAFA crowd. Usually selling knives and beavertail wallets at the NAFA booth.
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Post by ohiyotee on Mar 14, 2008 13:43:47 GMT -6
I was there and timed it....43 seconds
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Post by marbleyez2001 on Mar 14, 2008 15:51:51 GMT -6
The under a minute is to do the middle of the hide, the gristly back area, that does NOT include doing the edges. I would guess he could probably flesh a beaver in 3 minutes average time if he didnt have the crowd asking him questions. But he has done thousands upon thousands of beaver, worn out quite a few knives doing it.
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Post by ohiyotee on Mar 14, 2008 17:30:05 GMT -6
Yes thats exactly what i said above.........
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Post by billkasten on Mar 15, 2008 7:04:08 GMT -6
I also use a table .One thing I do that might save some time is after I cut the feet off with a pair of large compound pruners is to cut around each leg .i go in about four inches between the bone and hide ,just stick the knife in and go around the leg bone really dosen't take much time and then when skinning around the body the legs come out real easy. Hope that made sense . LOL
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Post by billkasten on Mar 15, 2008 7:15:40 GMT -6
Another thing I do is use a utiliy knife with a hook blade to make the belly cut.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 15, 2008 8:08:17 GMT -6
never tried that, but hear its the way to go. If I was skinning a lot of beaver every day, I'd get me one- but the doz or so I have around now a days, I just do it with my beaver knife.
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Post by billkasten on Mar 15, 2008 8:23:58 GMT -6
Like anything Steve it takes a little getting used to so ya don't open em up and have gutts all over but when you do you'll never go back to a knife .
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