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Post by TurTLe on Mar 10, 2008 21:32:20 GMT -6
If Westerns have better leather, and silkier fur, why don't they bring more then Easterns? Just because of the color?
I'm a glutton for punishment, and love trapping beaver, but it really sucks looking at NAFA and seeing those Easterns bringing more money then my Westerns. Can I dye mine dark brown and get more money? LOL
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Post by robertw on Mar 10, 2008 21:38:13 GMT -6
"their efforts put those people averages away above the averages posted."
This is 100% true!
Coon prices from the same areas varied by as much as $10 at this last sale. The difference was pelt handling.
I let a friend put up some southern coon for me a few years ago. We opened the freezer and counted out 50 head. I worked the other 80 or so head. The coons my friend worked for me averaged $6.40, the coons I worked averaged $11.80
I learned my lesson, I work my own fur as NO ONE ELSE will treat it as good.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Mar 10, 2008 22:13:59 GMT -6
[their efforts put those people averages away above the averages posted.
I do not believe this at all- if everyone that shipped fur put it up the same exact way- I think the averages would be about the same- good fur is good fur/i]
Isnt that what he was trying to convey?
Tutle let me see if I can explain this and have it make sense.
The difference mostly between a western and eastern beaver I think is uniformity of color over the beaver.
Eastern beaver take dye better than western that is why you see the premium. Most beaver are dyed.
The western pale and xtra pale are use natural more and that is why you see a premium paid on those.
Thats my interpretation.
What colors are your westerns grading turtle.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 11, 2008 6:26:35 GMT -6
let me put it simpler than- if all the fur was put up by the best fur handler in the world- lets say Bob- the averages would, in MY OPINION be about the same. you sell how you want, store coon for 100 years if you want- $5 difference on average? some years yes, some years no.
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 11, 2008 7:53:03 GMT -6
I'm not sure about this beaver leather thing I just don't see this southern beaver leather being all that thick. But I'm calling Greg to find out. I'm sure I was told by some one that southern beaver had thinner leather then their northern cousins. It just doesn't make any sense that a animal that lives all of It's life In mostly 60deg temps and up to Into the 100s all summer would have a very thick leather. But then It could be related to what It's eating.
All the land lines are busy at this time.
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 11, 2008 9:18:18 GMT -6
oh boy, now I`m inflemous. all I need to do is gag a little and get that flem out and I`ll be back to normal. I do try to do the best I can with the pelt the animal in te trap gave me. most trappers just don`t and get , as robert said, about 1/2 price.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 11, 2008 9:55:54 GMT -6
Do I agree that a lot of trappers don't know how to put up fur?
Yes.
Do I agree that selling coon green, year after year always brings less money (disocunting the commission, put up time, etc)
No.
Do I agree that the auctions provide the possiblity of abnormal highs and lows (compared to in the country)
Yes
Do I beleive, year after year on every type of fur, the auctions do better?
No.
so lets see- last year- if I sent mink/rats to the auction- I would have lost close to $3000.
and comparable on fox, yotes, beaver with less $$ involved.
I didn't- and that money went into my pocket
this year, by not sending coon, I "lost" about $2700 on coon-
but also gained on mink, rats, yotes and fox- plus badgers.
so just in last 2 years- I'm several $1000 ahead selling everything local rather than shipping.
so we are down to- play the game- decide in October whether to sell, or ship.
then other factors come into play- and those factors- on a balance scale- swing in MY favor, in my opinion, of course.
there is no black and white in selling fur-
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 11, 2008 11:12:13 GMT -6
yoiur coon woiuld have averaged probably $45 this march sale. so you only catch 80-90 coon? I thoight you just said 200-400. seems I remember you touting $17 coons or something like that. don`t know if that was ALL the coons, or maybe the better coons. can you elaborate for us? when the country buyers fur all goes to the same auction, well, no way you can`t do better cutting him out. this direct market to a chinaman stuff is horse puckey. the direct market to the chinaman is thru groany or pappas or the back of the nafa or fha truck.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 11, 2008 11:21:17 GMT -6
figuring a $35 average on 160 or so coon- easy math Bob.
did coon go for a $45 average in the Jan sales? Either one?
no?
ok
this direct market to a chinaman stuff is horse puckey
really? didn't know you knew the players involved....
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Post by Gibb on Mar 11, 2008 11:25:12 GMT -6
. BEAVER Sections The use of a large number of sections for beavers is less common today than it was in the past. In Canada, which produces well over half the beavers taken annually in North America (a total of 0.5–1 million in recent years), pelts are normally sorted into Eastern and Western groups (using the Manitoba–Ontario border). A Central section is often used to include pelts from northern and central Ontario and a Northern section may be used to include pelts from the northern Prairie provinces, the Northwest Territories, the Yukon Territory, and Alaska. In the United States, beaver pelts are sorted into Eastern,Western, and Southern groups, although up to nine sections have been recognized in the past. Pelts from the U.S. Eastern or Western sections are often included with the Canadian Eastern or Western sections. Canada Eastern.—Maritime provinces, southern Quebec, southern Ontario, upper peninsula Michigan, northern Minnesota. Eastern pelts are generally darker and finer in texture (Figs. 6b, h) than pelts from other sections. Pelts from Newfoundland (Figs. 6a, g) have pale fur and light leather that shrinks when dressed; pelts from Nova Scotia have fine fur and heavy leather; pelts from New Brunswick have coarse fur and heavy leather. Pelts from Michigan and Minnesota are often stained reddish in the guard hairs, perhaps because of iron oxides in the soil and water. Canada Central.—Northern Quebec, northern Ontario. Pelts from this section tend to have lighter leather and silkier fur and often are darker (Figs. 6c, i). Pelts from northwestern Ontario often have reddish staining in the guard hairs (especially on the flanks) similar to pelts from northern Minnesota and the upper peninsula of Michigan. Canada Western.—Canadian provinces west of the Manitoba –Ontario border. Pelts from this section tend to be larger than those from eastern sections; western pelts are also paler (Figs. 6d, e, j, k) and their fur coarser in texture. One consequence of this coarse strong fur is that the hairs take dye better than fine-haired pelts. Pelts from Wisconsin and Minnesota are often included in this section even though they have silkier fur, lighter leather, and may be darker. Pelts from southern areas tend to have heavy leather. Canada Northern.—Northern areas of the Canadian provinces west of the Manitoba–Ontario border, the Northwest Territories, the Yukon Territory, and Alaska. Pelts from this section have light leather and good-quality fur. U.S. Eastern.—Includes the New England, Eastern, and Northern sections. These pelts tend to be darker. Pelts from Maine are heaviest, darkest, and silkiest in this section, but all other areas produce pelts of excellent size and quality. The better, silk-silkier pelts are often similar to pelts from the Canada East section, and they may be included in the same lots. U.S. Western.—Includes the Northwest, Central, and Coast sections. These pelts tend to be paler than those from eastern sections; Montana produces the pelts with the best color in this section, but all states in the Northwest section produce extremely pale beavers of excellent quality. Pelts from the Central section tend to be flatter and coarser. These pelts may be grouped with the Canada Western pelts. U.S. Southern.—Includes the Southern and Southeast sections. Pelts from these sections are smaller and much flatter than those from other sections. Generally the fur is coarse and the leather is heavy; pelts are often poorly handled in part because of problems caused by the warming climate. The guard hairs of pelts from this section are often reddish along the back and yellowish green or olive on the flanks and belly (Figs. 6f, l). The underfur is dark along the back. These pelts have an overall dull appearance.
Besides the section how it was caught (what method), when it was caught (time of year) and how it was handled will all affect the price. Cheers Jim
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 11, 2008 11:27:15 GMT -6
What happened to the other 240 coon? Or the 140 depending If your subtracting from 300 or 400 LOl
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 11, 2008 11:31:55 GMT -6
That's what Greg said but It was eaiser for you to type It out then me LOL
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 11, 2008 11:34:34 GMT -6
so, your country buyer paid you $35 avg for 160 green coon? were the other 240 the $3 ones?
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 11, 2008 11:48:25 GMT -6
Bob get your butt out In that shed and get those cats done LOl
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Post by robertw on Mar 11, 2008 11:57:01 GMT -6
"did coon go for a $45 average in the Jan sales? Either one?"
There are trappers on this forum from central Iowa that did have $43.80 averages at the NAFA sale this month on their entire collections of coons (no sorting or high grading).
As for as "sale" averages go any trapper doing a good job of putting up his fur is normally going to sell ABOVE the sale average.
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 11, 2008 12:14:21 GMT -6
cats are all done except 2 midgits I`m debating on putting up or holding for taxidermy. they will go 30", maybe. and nothing special either. but the rest, man o man do they look good. sunny today and I took them all outside. and tomorrow sunny too,so they should do more drying in the next 48 hrs than the last 3 weeks. I`m scraping a coon or two between being here. just the scratch backs that someone else might tear..... tomorrow is beaver trapping day so maybe won`t be on pestering gappa as much.
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 11, 2008 12:28:12 GMT -6
I'm In a total rut I have only been out of the house 3 times in the last three days This computer Is way to addicting , Or I'm just getting way to lazy.
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Post by robertw on Mar 11, 2008 12:33:48 GMT -6
Beav, Pam needs to get home and assign you some chores to do! Have you gotten that new clothes dryer installed yet?
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Post by trappnman on Mar 11, 2008 12:40:32 GMT -6
my problem is I got no deadlines and its along month...
I can't remember when I've had cabin fever this bad!
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 11, 2008 12:44:27 GMT -6
No but I swept the basement floor, put a load of dishes In the dish washer talked to you and now I think I'm going shopping I always see where on 2 half men that you can meet all kinds of women In those grocery stores. Oops I don't have any little munchkin to haul with me, unless I go borrow my grand son for the day LOL Ahh I think I'll just sit here It will be a lot less headaches In the long run.
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