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Feb 24, 2008 17:02:56 GMT -6
Post by dabrock on Feb 24, 2008 17:02:56 GMT -6
I agree with Brian, I've tried peat, really gave it a fare try. I do'nt like it. I carry a 30lb bucket of wax dirt on my 4 wheeler, last 3-4 days on remakes. I've noticed after prolong rain, then freeze set is still dry. Proably not use peat any more. I is light,but not worth it to me.
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Feb 24, 2008 17:09:58 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Feb 24, 2008 17:09:58 GMT -6
difference between short line and long line. things that are practical on one aren`t on the other. like for instance all the guys that use cable and clip and run and figure, eh, 50 cents, so what. but they aren`t putting in several thousdand sets a year and spending a potential 2 grand on "disposables" . try running 100 sets a day for 6 weeks and see if a semi can carry the waxed dirt. that`s the reason 2nd choice becomes first choice. lot of things to factor in to choose what works best, i.e. mostest for the leastest
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Feb 24, 2008 17:10:28 GMT -6
Post by dabrock on Feb 24, 2008 17:10:28 GMT -6
peat just did'nt work for me. I gave it a real try, Just do'nt like it. I will stick with my wax dirt.
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Feb 24, 2008 17:45:46 GMT -6
Post by Freak( Jim V.) on Feb 24, 2008 17:45:46 GMT -6
Hate peat , but its the only feasible answer most fo the time. Its almsot always available on just about any line and ya aint gotta haul it cross country. Got over 400 gallons of waxed and anthill dirt in my shed and it gets used here at home and thats it. Too much BS to drag along crosscountry as it is. Salt works til a few freeze /thaws on it then ya got a crust that can really fool ya until ya pull the pie off your trap, glycol is nice too , but ya gotta make sure it aint got no smell , then it seems to attract every bit of dust and clogs alot. Ever seen a big bale of peat hit the road at 95? I have and it looks like a bomb going off, thats the fringe benefits , funny chit that can happen with peat. LOL
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Feb 24, 2008 18:02:29 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Feb 24, 2008 18:02:29 GMT -6
or if the lady at the motel rags you, dump a bail in the tub and let her soak. cram a couple buckets down the pot and in the back water too. then just dust the whole joint like tinkerbell and gold dust. and she thought a little skunk stink was a big deal ,and so a few rat carcases got left in the shower stall. picky picky picky. I can only imagine when she found the live possums.
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Feb 24, 2008 18:09:29 GMT -6
Post by Freak( Jim V.) on Feb 24, 2008 18:09:29 GMT -6
No wonder she put the spiders in your mattress! LMAO. ;D
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Feb 24, 2008 18:20:39 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Feb 24, 2008 18:20:39 GMT -6
Years ago I tried peat and didn't like it...
this past eyar- liked it a lot.
mix in some around the set, and you don't get anymore refusals than with any other covering.
I hear waxed dirt is better and I'm sure it is- but I'm not going to take the time nor expense to wax the amount of dirt I'd need-
peat sems to be a good alternative.
the 2 things that I were worried about- smell and avoidance- were not a problem. The smell was very woodsy and cause no bad reactions- once I quit using screens, no digging at set.
I'm hooked....
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Feb 24, 2008 18:29:34 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Feb 24, 2008 18:29:34 GMT -6
no wonder I trashed the place. nobody bites me free!
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Feb 25, 2008 6:23:16 GMT -6
Post by wheelie on Feb 25, 2008 6:23:16 GMT -6
Seems to me peat would be too spongy to get a good solid bed. True......but when most guys hand up their traps (frozen ground conditions/freezing sets that aren't working even when remaking daily, late seasons stuff, etc).......I'd rather have a wobblie trap bed and the set "working", then to be running a line where yotes danced all over sets, but were froze solid. I choose set working (while I'm asleep), then to wonder if its working........I just use a little better guilding in those conditions, so yote puts his best foot foreward at the calculated location (trap pan)....during normal trapping conditions guilding isn't a concern (as much) as I know the lure is going to glue him at the set until he digs out smell.
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Feb 25, 2008 7:05:01 GMT -6
Post by ohiyotee on Feb 25, 2008 7:05:01 GMT -6
I know it gets old my preaching this but, I think any one having trouble bedding a coil spring trap should try a few long springs. And not just a trap like from the factory but a good modified one , especially with a good pan set up . Honestly , bedding for me is never an issue and it is never a problem using them. I have heard the usual arguments , but the only legitimate one would be that they mud up, well if it it frozen that becomes a mute point. As for the peat moss I'd say that my prediction came true at least partially true. coyotesrus.proboards35.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=1192751606&page=1
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Feb 25, 2008 7:05:02 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Feb 25, 2008 7:05:02 GMT -6
as I know the lure is going to glue him at the set until he digs out smell.
I need to get some lures like that- sounds like something I read from the UP on never having a coyote walk by a set.
Snow trapping shows, that not even close to every coyite coming by, is devoted to the lures.
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Feb 25, 2008 7:09:19 GMT -6
Post by Zagman on Feb 25, 2008 7:09:19 GMT -6
Without snow, in farm ground, how does one know he is or is not getting refusals?
Jury is still out on peat for me.......giving it a college try though.
Wind sure makes using peat fun, not necessarily blowing off the set, but loading it in the set bucket from the big bin, and then at the set, blowing up and in to your nose and mouth......
I am here to say that using peat may be a health hazard. You have heard of "Black Lung"........? The old coalminers disease?
Well, after spending time with Phil Brown, a guy that has been using peat forever, and listening to him coughing and wheezing and sniffling......he's Phlegm Boy!
"Peat Lung"...........I am telling you, you heard it here first.
They need one of those rectangular warning signs on bales of peat.........
For me, waxed dirt is not so much about the weight, as I drive my truck to every set. Its the time in the summer making it and the cost thereof........
Right now, I have 1000% confidence in waxed dirt, and dried dirt......just not quite there on peat yet. Trying, though.
Bedding.....no problem.
I am just not ready to say it does not cause anymore refusals than any other covering........coyote guys that have been using it forever usually admit that it does indeed cause some problems with a percentage of the visitors. Perhaps that percentage is so small, in the grand scheme of things, it's acceptable.
Yes, it smells natural and "woodsy".......
But there are lot of things that are "natural" that every coyote just doesn't run right up to......large, dead animals, for instance.
I, too, tried peat a long time ago, and did not like it. Still, I watched from the sidelines while some very good coyote guys used it readily.......so decided to give it another try.
BTW, you guys using bread bags and zip locks......if you drink coffee, both Folgers and Maxwell House offer their products in heavy duty, plastic containers with handles on them......and snap on lids that seem very durable. Good for peat or cover hulls or whatever......
Zagman
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Feb 25, 2008 7:09:54 GMT -6
Post by mikespring on Feb 25, 2008 7:09:54 GMT -6
I`m with ya on that Steve!!!!
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Feb 25, 2008 7:17:18 GMT -6
Post by wheelie on Feb 25, 2008 7:17:18 GMT -6
as I know the lure is going to glue him at the set until he digs out smell.
I need to get some lures like that- sounds like something I read from the UP on never having a coyote walk by a set. Snow trapping shows, that not even close to every coyite coming by, is devoted to the lures. never said every coyote that walked by the hole is going to dig it out........there are many reasons why a coyote doesn't work a set or just walks right past it without stopping....Should we list them all? When the coyote commits, it looks like a shovel was used to get at the lure down the hole.......most of the time you can't tell, because you have a coyote sitting in the catch circle and area all tore up (this would lead me to believe that he dug at the hole/or wanted too on his aproach)...... I've been able to see dug holes from revisiting a line that I have pulled (yes, I didn't caTCH every coyote, but never intended too)......or from a set that was fired off by a deer/cow/whatever and the hole dug out....you know scratchie, scratchie, dig, dig, long claw marks, dig some more, etc. ps.....there are many lures (that I feel) fall in the line of getting a "digging" reaction.......sorry you havn't found one yet T-man....
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Feb 25, 2008 7:35:58 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Feb 25, 2008 7:35:58 GMT -6
oh, I know certain lures get a digging reaction. I've debated often enough, whethr one wants the m to dig or not, and I fall in that camp that wants tem to dig, slobber ,etc at a set..
but how often doesthat happen? 80% of the time? 50%? less? more?
snow is a real pain, but it also shows you exactly whats happening. I've seen coyotes come within a few feet of a set and never break stride, only to turn and go many yards to an identical set.
And snow shows you exactly how a canine (that didn't get caught of course) works a set. and a lot more than we think- its a few tracks and gone.
I think a coyote doesn't work a set for 2 reasons: 1) indifference 2) nervousness
my two biggest worries on peat didn't materialize. My first full year of using it, was favorable and certainly no more nor less problems than any othe covering I've used.
Never noticed coyotes avoiding dead large naimals here.
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Feb 25, 2008 7:47:16 GMT -6
Post by Zagman on Feb 25, 2008 7:47:16 GMT -6
Didnt say avoid, said they dont just run right up to them, everytime.....snow will show you that.
Granted, with a pecking order in coyotes, lot's of circling with dead animals is due to coyotes making sure the coast is clear......
Just pointing out that something described as "natural" does not necessarily mean every coyote is going to run in and donate to the cause.
MZ
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Feb 25, 2008 7:51:42 GMT -6
Post by bobwendt on Feb 25, 2008 7:51:42 GMT -6
zag , you`ll never get 1000% confidence in peat, as it doesn`trdeserve it. it`s about a 90-95% deal. but the trade off of the lost 5-10% is cost, weight, ease etc. and a fox man can get away with a lot more than a coyote man. coyotes just aren`t fox. with eastern weather, if a guy is operating any size line at all, the dry dirt/waxed dirt deal at 1,000% just becomes impractical, especially on a $15-25 canine market. so we improvise and bend like the old oak tree and survive to live on best we can under very difficult conditions and circumstances out of our control.
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Feb 25, 2008 7:56:59 GMT -6
Post by castiron on Feb 25, 2008 7:56:59 GMT -6
Do any of you use cover hulls. I use cover hulls, dry dirt, and peat in the course of a year. I have caught fur using all three. I have not used waxed dirt. How do you make waxed dirt? Have never heard of it where I live and trap. We have tough trapping conditions here. We can have rain, snow, wind, sun, and everything else in just a few days on the trap line here. Thanks
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Feb 25, 2008 8:04:56 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Feb 25, 2008 8:04:56 GMT -6
gotcha Zags- yes, I do see that....
I don't see much difference in peat as far as catch % go. It ws nom ore, no less than using just dirt.
I do however, and while at first I thought I was being too anal now I'm thinking that I wasn't, take a good handful of peat, mix it with a little bit of site dirt, and scatter it around the set- figuring that any reluctance would be circumvented by letting tme see and smell peat, before working the set.
I like peat so much, I used it in some quantity or another, at every set this past season.
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Feb 25, 2008 8:17:42 GMT -6
Post by wheelie on Feb 25, 2008 8:17:42 GMT -6
I thought I was being too anal now I'm thinking that I wasn't, take a good handful of peat, mix it with a little bit of site dirt, and scatter it around the set I don't know if your anal T-man, but I basicly do the same thing...I sometimes grab a handlfull of peat and throw in the air when set is completed..the peat drifts down over entire area/floats for yards when wind is blowin......I feel the coyote will have a good wiff of Peat way before he is right on top of the trap bed....thus eliminating the "fear factor"....or in T-mans words "anal factor"
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