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Post by Wright Brothers on Aug 19, 2007 8:40:59 GMT -6
Don't know about you guys but I'm getting the itch, must be the rain.
Guiding seems one of many things that mean different things to different trappers. And is mentioned here at times daily.
One that sticks out to me from last season, a coyote turd on a thin trail. Said to myself, there's a skin, went back to the truck grabbed a trap and stakes, set a trap at the turd, one drop pee on trap side of turd, (probably not needed), collected nicest grey of the year the next morning.
I watch demos and read on here many different guiding, from a subtle change his gait, to sticks fencing the trap, to dirt mounds. Face guiding, foot guiding.
I don't have cactus as well as many here don't have mud clods. Some have snow, some not. Some set fields, some woods. Some trap 40lb critters, some trap ones measured in ozs. Please share something you have learned about guiding.
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Post by stickbowhntr on Aug 19, 2007 8:53:41 GMT -6
Wb you''re right the rain,tremps(here 60 right now) the smells and all just too nice, I must be sick? Going to go walking later and look for some roots.been raining here for ~3hours...it gets me going, I love the rain and sitting here on back porch listening to the rain on a piece of tin I put up just so's I can hear it , well it sounds GREAT..L>O.L.
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Post by Bristleback on Aug 19, 2007 8:55:45 GMT -6
Face guiding, there's something you don't hear mentioned often. I've certainly used it, sure makes sense to me, when the situation calls for it.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 19, 2007 9:02:02 GMT -6
First of all, I think that directional guides are as important as anything, and by this I mean nothing added, but instead making your set taking advantage of such things. The obvious example would be a set made on the edge of a 100 foot sheer drop off- you know 100% of the time, that the coyote will be approaching your set from the "right" direction . That is, he will first see the set as you want him to.
This prevents, I think, some of that circling stuff.
on hole sets you really don't need guides, the position of the trap provides that, but even here, a small pebble placed to the side of the trap, does reduce stepping area and shifts the foot.
On flat sets, I find guiding to be a must. You usually have a larger area, ideally an infinite pattern, so a couple of dirt clumps, a broken corn cob, a weed stem- puts his foot where you want it.
It doesn't have to be much or be obvious, but I think it needs to be.
How can guiding be bad? What can it hurt (if not overdone and boxy?)
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Post by stickbowhntr on Aug 19, 2007 9:07:31 GMT -6
I have started using #9 or #11 wire at sets for guiding . I save short stuff from cable work and take it, small, can be formed to any condition and holds up. I figure I never need anyting big and this works for me, plus i don't have to look for the pefect piece, just carry a few pcs in pocket.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 19, 2007 9:08:49 GMT -6
small vertical holes also work as guides
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Post by Bristleback on Aug 19, 2007 9:17:54 GMT -6
Let the wind be your FRIEND.........you can often times fool a critters:eyes and ears.......but we don't often fool their nose.....ask a whitetail or elk hunter (during the rut..their nose is preoccupied ) point is.....critters trust-depend on their nose.....let the wind GUIDE the critter to your set OVER your trap. Here is often what I'll do on a good coyote location.....make 1-2 sets facing N-NW(primary wind in the winter) on the up wind side of the location.......now toss in a back up set on the other side of the location....for a wind change, front, storm comes rolling in.....
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Post by trappnman on Aug 19, 2007 9:27:45 GMT -6
not sure how the wind would guide a coyote over a flat set. beyond having him find the set.
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Post by Bristleback on Aug 19, 2007 10:15:51 GMT -6
Serious?
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 19, 2007 10:48:08 GMT -6
where the nose goes the feet follow. pretty elementary guiding ,and works 100% .
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 19, 2007 10:48:30 GMT -6
lol, maybe no elephant trapping, but that is all.
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Post by markymark on Aug 19, 2007 10:54:31 GMT -6
Just poke a little hole and use 2 logs to form a V. Serously it's so easy even a Caveman can do it.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 19, 2007 12:29:13 GMT -6
you bet I'm serious- wind can get a coyote over a flat set, but it isn't going to make his foot go here rather than 3 inches over there. Or can you control the wind that precisely? And what happens when the wind stops? Blows the opposite direction?
I was hoping that only those that guided would respond, but see we are back to the never ever, ever, ever, missing animals.
Sorry- don't buy it. From mice to elephants you aren't going to get them all.
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 19, 2007 12:52:54 GMT -6
it is possible to get them all. buffalo, passenger pidgion, wolves ( lol), etc etc. I can take you to sheep areas of the west where coyotes are EXTINCT, directly due to humans getting them all.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 19, 2007 13:36:28 GMT -6
not by trapping and we both know that.
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 19, 2007 13:44:56 GMT -6
no, but it could be done by trapping, just take longer and cost more. 100% access, no financial restraints, and no time limit is all it takes. the only reason the extinct areas aren`t bigger is cost, $$$$$. put say a $5,000 bounty on coyotes and they will get extinct, probably in less than a year. the $5,000 is just arbitrary. probably wouldn`t take that much. look what guys will do for a$2-300 cat. it`s mind boggling.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 19, 2007 13:59:34 GMT -6
so anyway, I like using guides at flat sets as I feel it gives me more coyotes.
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Post by 17HMR on Aug 19, 2007 17:54:29 GMT -6
I guide as often as needed, when done with the set I may put a rock, weed, or stick some where just to push the foot over a little bit when it looks like there is too much room for a miss. I find guideing the most useful snareing, it seems easier to move their head where you want it with a couple of stiff weed stems.
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Post by Bristleback on Aug 19, 2007 20:28:36 GMT -6
"not sure how the wind would guide a coyote over a flat set. beyond having him find the set. "
My point is let the wind be your friend. Use it to your advantage....I would bet most do.......
Control the wind.........heck no, even with "no wind" there are still air currents moving in most cases due to temp and pressue...... catch them all, again no....
We could argue to the moon what is a flat set.....mine are most often invisable (tuft of grass with a shot of P or a dab of lure) to maybe a bone.......LOW visability sets vs big hole, showey sets...
Take this example....you have a lane, 2 track running, a crossing... running EAST and WEST....NORTH wind.....you put identical invisable sets on each side of the lane......tuft of grass sets....same lure-P ....which set will catch the majority of the fur....and what percentage of the fur......I'll argue the set on the upwind side...the North side of the lane will catch.....80-90% of the fur......I'm not talking remakes, doubles because they are no longer invisable sets.
Point is if one's not using the wind.....save some $ and why bother with the smelly?
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Post by wheelie on Aug 20, 2007 6:01:18 GMT -6
Very little guilding if any, maybe small pebble or slight mond of dirt for me.......
I see pic's on the internet sometimes (of sets) that just blow my mind.... LArge RoCK for backing another LArge RoCK to the Left of trap, and a stump put on the other side, finished off with a 1/2 " round stepping stick in front of the trap...... Talk about un-natural......lol..... The same person that posts a pic like this and asks: "does this set looks good?.......3/4 of the replys are yep, looks great......
I just think.....hmmm.....lol
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