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Post by 17HMR on Jul 9, 2007 14:05:16 GMT -6
Any here use them for the deep end? Where can they be bought? I cant find any local. Not enough rocks around here for the chicken wire.
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Post by Yancy on Jul 9, 2007 14:22:15 GMT -6
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 9, 2007 14:26:56 GMT -6
how many you need, i have some old ones that may still be good, i bought them from the place yancy posted, not looking for anything other than postage.
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 9, 2007 14:27:32 GMT -6
oh these are the small ones and white as a chicken egg so no hiding them, lol.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 9, 2007 16:18:59 GMT -6
Just go down to any tire recycling place and see If you can pick up any large truck Inner tubes. They work better then gunny bags. They will last forever. Just cut them so you have two halves then wire one end closed, leave a loop when you do this so you can attache your trap chain or slide wire. Fill at the site and wire the other end closed.
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Post by 17HMR on Jul 9, 2007 16:58:03 GMT -6
Shag, how small is small? Will a 1 take a beaver down and out? dont need many, about 25 till I see if thats what I want to use.
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Post by briankroberts on Jul 9, 2007 20:01:17 GMT -6
Any construction supply outlet should have them, or anyplace that deals in traffic control devices....B....
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 9, 2007 21:51:45 GMT -6
i can measure one to be exact but maybe 18 inches tall. if you fill with heavy rocks, and not a pond in 2 feet of water, yeah they will hold a beaver just fine with one sack. mud or dirt, forget it, i have had to use two with rocks sometimes in real slack water that was not very deep but most places one is plenty, but have to use heavy rocks, anything else and might as well have a club or .22 rifle ready. let me know.
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Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Jul 9, 2007 22:09:56 GMT -6
i use them and they are about 2ft tall and about 15 inches wide...they work great for drowners......feed sacks work well also....like the 30lb feed sacks..
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Post by 17HMR on Jul 10, 2007 5:12:35 GMT -6
Thanks Shag but I think Ill order some bigger ones, mostly slack to very slow water around here, and no rocks.
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Post by Hornhunter on Jul 10, 2007 5:16:24 GMT -6
cheaperthandirt.com has them also.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 10, 2007 7:17:09 GMT -6
17- yo uhave to look at one factor- does color matter?
If muddy creeks or no other people, the best I've found is grain sacks. Unfortunately, they are usually white- but they are big enough that I took half and used them whole, and took others and cut them in half and stitched the end closed.
But the beauty of plastic is that you can snap it and its virtually dry and water free- where as real sand bags made of burlap, stay soaked forever.
if you are planning on putting rocks in the bags- forget the bags and go to chicken wire. I cut pieces 3 feet by 3 feet- add a few rocks and lace the top shut, and good to go. Last year had the bright idea of lacing the top with the slide cable- big mistake, makes removing the wire a real trial.
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Post by 17HMR on Jul 10, 2007 19:25:43 GMT -6
Tman, no rocks here... unless they are imported, and Im not doing that. Got a mile of creek with dams 75 to 100 yards, that hasnt seen a trapper for at least the last 30 years, so I am told. No people around anywhere except the farmer, so white should be no trouble. Im thinking 2 48 hour checks, maybe 3 and run. Not trying to get them all.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 10, 2007 20:51:06 GMT -6
Use 330s and you won't have to worry about drowning them. they would be a lot more effective than foot holds.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 10, 2007 21:06:44 GMT -6
now there mighht be a lot of reasons to use 330s over footholds- but more effective?
How?
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Post by 17HMR on Jul 11, 2007 5:10:32 GMT -6
Beav, every 330 I have ( aint many) will be out there too.
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Post by Drew on Jul 11, 2007 5:27:53 GMT -6
feed sacks work great and you can cut the length to adjust how much weight you need...and as Tman said a snap and there dry.
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 11, 2007 6:40:41 GMT -6
330s in my opinion are far superior to leg traps if beaver trapping in swamp territory or streams,etc. there is more room for error with 330s. the 330s are more forgiving and can be set in places where drowning is out, and beaver do escape sometimes if not drowned right away. i much prefer a 330, but set some leg traps where a 330 will not work due to legal reasons here.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 11, 2007 7:06:14 GMT -6
Well I'd like to see you use foot holds In a deep channel and be very effective. Same goes for crossovers and den entrances, In most cases when setting castor mounds or pull outs the trap placement Is very critical when using foot holds. Water depth, distance from the bank, the distance to offset right or left, trap bedding, should I continue. With a 330 Its place It In the travel route, leave It half out of the water or under water with a dive pole over It. What If the water Is 10' deep right off the pull out,how would you set a foot hold? I can place a 330 on dry land and have that beaver. What about hauling drowning rods drowning weights and slide wires? Nothing to haul when using 330s just the trap. I rest my case LOL
Same as shag said If you have great locations and you can't set them do to lack of drowning water then the 330 would be more effective then a foot hold. I put up some pretty good beaver numbers each year and 98% of my traps are 330s If foot holds were more effective I would use them. The foot hold comes Into play If I have a wised up square shy beaver. Also there Is a lot more work when dealing with foot holds and drowning your catch. I can have 3 times the sets made with 330s over the person setting up drowning set ups with foot holds. All the things I have stated make the 330 more effective.
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 11, 2007 7:31:18 GMT -6
got to be careful here beav, because 330s/280s have to be completely submerged, so fluctuating water can get a man in trouble. i agree with everything you said, i wish we could do the half in half out lured deal, i do the same thing and just use a dive pole near where you would do half in half out, probably not quite as effective. i use legholds on rivers where straight mud banks and no real good place to do a 330 submerged set, setting on the bank will get me in trouble here, lol. for me, the river is the only place that i really seriously use legholds, every where else i only put 1 or 2 in the truck for a freak spot. 330s all the way. now a few 660s, lol!
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