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Post by billkasten on Jul 5, 2007 9:42:45 GMT -6
When trapping in Virginia a few years ago we put the cats we caught down with the use of a catchpole . Now in Pa. we have to release them so I've been chocking them down with the same catchpole till they stop flaling with there feet so I can let them go. My question is will chocking them down kill them? now I know they don't die at the site but will it cause enough damage to there throat to cause death ? If so what is abetter way to handle them? Hate to be killing them for no reason.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 5, 2007 10:15:55 GMT -6
I'm not 100% sure but the few I sold live market were all choked down to where I could handle them and they all made It just fine. Speed Is the key get em down and get the noose off them as soon as possible. Don't preform mouth to mouth or any form of CPR lol
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 5, 2007 10:31:16 GMT -6
I`m positive 100% ,as one year I kept 23 alive for pee, choked them uncontious even, I mean 100% down and out looked dead. I kept then abouit 4 months after and never a bit of trouble, till I did them in again!
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Post by billkasten on Jul 5, 2007 11:54:37 GMT -6
Thats about what I thought but a guy that has live cats told me some will die an hour or so later from bring chocked.
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Post by billkasten on Jul 5, 2007 11:56:32 GMT -6
being choked.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 5, 2007 12:27:01 GMT -6
I think he has never seen it happen as I`ve heard that story circulate at trappers pow wows and it`s always from someone who has not the experience to say, like most never even caught one cat in their life, lol, the old I`ve never done it , BUT.....
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Post by bill1306 (Phil) on Jul 5, 2007 16:55:15 GMT -6
I choke down all of my cats to transport them in cages rk660 made for me. I keep some of them alive to collect urine during the trapping season. The rest I choke down and put them in transport cage to take home. I keep them alive until I'm ready to skin them. Sometimes it is a day or two before I put them down. It is easier to skin them when they are fresh. I also keep coyotes alive in the transport cages until I'm ready to skin them. I have never had one die later after I choked them down.
Phil
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Post by JWarren on Jul 5, 2007 20:15:38 GMT -6
The first one I choked down came back to life in the cab of my truck and he seemed real healthy until I got pulled over and poled him again through the sliding back window
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Post by coyotewhisperer on Jul 5, 2007 20:17:27 GMT -6
LOL thats funny! You and POGO ought to get together and trade stories about animals coming to life in vehicles LOL
Jeff
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Post by rk660 on Jul 5, 2007 20:23:41 GMT -6
anybody see anything of Pogo lately, I ususaly hear from him once a month but havent heard much all this year.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 6, 2007 7:27:18 GMT -6
would weather have something to do with it?
On hot weather coyotes- it takes a scary short time on the to kill them when using a noosepole- like in under 2 minutes.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 6, 2007 8:59:14 GMT -6
I`ve tried to choke a coyote to death and found it darn near impossible. tried 220s on their noggins too, and after 1/2 a day of them flopping in the back of the truck got to feeling guilty and did them proper like I should have to begin with. I don`t know what heat would have to do with it. they will die of heat exaustion fast without a catch pole or any pole, just die in the trap. why the `live market is $200 on adults in the summer and goes begging at $40 in the winter.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 6, 2007 9:13:48 GMT -6
Bob, when I was collaring, I had 2 die after putting the catch pole on them. Wasn't even choking them, just enough to get them down- and all of a sudden noticed they weren't breathing. Had another that I brought back by doing heart compresses and them picking him up 5-6 inches and banging him back down a couple of times. it was very hot and humid on all occasions
For the $100, I was about ready to do CPR!
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 6, 2007 9:28:15 GMT -6
i know a coyote doesnt last long after being throat whacked with an axe handle, no blood either, same gig for fox and coon, but coon can be a pain in the arse. cats choke down quick and i have never had a reason to bring one back to life bill, so cant answer your question.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 6, 2007 9:33:11 GMT -6
tman, most coyotes are dead by 10 a.m. in the summer sun ,if 80 degrees. even those living often die 1-3 days later afterreleaseas withheatstrokethe kidneysand lungs and everything break down irreparably. you get a "liner", you better get paid fast. live trapping in extreme heat, we`ve wrote the book on setting under ledges, behind and under rocks, bighole sets etc. anything to get him out of the sun.
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Post by steeliekingfisher on Jul 7, 2007 17:50:47 GMT -6
The first one I choked down came back to life in the cab of my truck and he seemed real healthy until I got pulled over and poled him again through the sliding back window Thats some funny scat. Last year I choked one down and left it in the cage trap, pulled the trap to move to different location and low and behold when I got there he was standing and growling in the cage in back of the truck. First and last time I ever had that happen.
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Post by dj88ryr on Jul 8, 2007 18:12:26 GMT -6
I would use the pole Bill, DO NOT fall for that crap about covering them with your jacket to calm them down, did that on a smallish cat I caught in NH, maybe 15 years ago or so, .....and lost a perfectly good Carhart in the process, ripped it to shreds...
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Post by billkasten on Jul 9, 2007 7:24:16 GMT -6
I've heard of guys using a 4x4 sheet of plywood or a plastic barrel but I think i'll stick with my catch pole .
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Post by trappnman on Jul 9, 2007 7:28:29 GMT -6
you can't beat plywood- to me, it is the easiest quickest release method around- much quicker and easier than a cvatch pole.
Trouble is- is carrying it. In my truck is was always under everything, so if I needed to use it, had to unload half the truck. But once I had it out, I could release the biggest meanest animals out there in less time than it took to type this.
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Post by musher on Jul 9, 2007 14:30:17 GMT -6
If they are like lynx ,the exciting part is when the trap is off them. They don't exactly scamper off.
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