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Post by PAMINK on Apr 3, 2004 15:45:56 GMT -6
DJ - I don't mean to sound like I'm picking on ya but, how does a person go about making sets specifically for coyotes??
If often hear guys say: I have a coyote set over there and a fox set over there. I don't understand how that can be done. Terry
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Post by CoonDuke on Apr 3, 2004 15:46:27 GMT -6
Great post Terry.
I agree with everything you said. One other thing that is important for lever lock-up is angles of the jaws. If designed right, the jaws will lock in place and not open easily. Similar to the mechanics of a longspring.
Everything is just perfect on those Victor 1.75s to make the hold, hold, hold.
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Post by dj88ryr on Apr 3, 2004 15:49:36 GMT -6
I am not speaking for others, but when I say a coyotes set, I am talking location. There were logging roads up there, far and away from any prime fox habitat, that I considered " coyote " sets. Did I get a grey every once in a while..yup. I don't think as you say, in an area that is 50/50 fox/coyote, you can differentiate between the sets. I was talking location of the set.
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Post by Stef on Apr 3, 2004 16:13:06 GMT -6
[shadow=red,left,300]in the smaller traps, there's no contest- reg jaws outperform pffsets.[/shadow]
HMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Not in my case!
Stef
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Post by trappnman on Apr 3, 2004 17:25:46 GMT -6
Stef ;D PaMink- Steve, Steve, Steve. You and me have gone through this before in great detail on another post. I can't type well and won't retype it. yeah...but now that Im actually going to be using #3- I'm listening.... But I do remember now that you mention it the high levers. On these montanas- the levers come up the same on an empty trap whether offset or reg. Is this then no longer a factor? Or am I missing something? If so- please tell me...
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Post by PAMINK on Apr 3, 2004 17:55:07 GMT -6
Steve I have not seen the Montana yet but with a paw in the trap the levers will come up more in the offset trap.
Steve are these factory offset or lugged?? Terry
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Post by 17kiss on Apr 3, 2004 17:55:34 GMT -6
Steve , The levers do come up higher in factory offset traps giving them a small advantage in lockup.But point I am making is how much extra lockup is given when a coyote paw is holding them open? I am not here to say my way is right and yours is wrong , just what I think. I hope I dont offend anyone.
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Post by CoonDuke on Apr 3, 2004 20:02:10 GMT -6
On the Montana trap, the levers will not come up any higher on the offset BECAUSE IT IS LUGGED.
The only difference is that the lugs will not let the jaws close tightly on the Montanas.
FACT: There is no mechanical advantage with a lugged offset trap.
All the arguments about mechanics and lever height and what not do not apply to the Montanas because of the nature of the offset.
The unanswered question is will the lugged offset cause less damage..........
And that question can only be answered by guys who have made numerous catches in both styles of traps.
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Post by dj88ryr on Apr 3, 2004 20:14:38 GMT -6
Only ever had 2 lugged offset traps, I only used them a couple of days, and gave them to another trapper I knew, I did not like the damage caused by them.
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Post by z on Apr 4, 2004 2:51:52 GMT -6
ZZ
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Post by dj88ryr on Apr 4, 2004 8:19:59 GMT -6
Of course thats assuming that I have a shop set up like you ;D LMAO Nah, I will just stick to regular jaws, if I start seeing toes nipped off, I may change my mind, hasn't happened up to this point. I just file the edges smooth and off we go.
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Post by chessiepup on Apr 4, 2004 8:50:03 GMT -6
here is my two cents worth, I have a nasty little fetish, I like to stick my hand in traps, why? dunno, kinda like smelling lure you know? so here are my very unscientific results, victor k9 pro 4 coiled offset: kinda hurt but no real cuts or bruises (offset is cut out) mb 650 w cast offset jaws: hurt like a sob bruised very bad won't ever do that again, montana reg jaw: the best didn't really hurt just stung like hitting a tree with a baseball bat, duke 1.75 stock w/regular jaws: hurt kinda bad plenty of bruising,but worst of all lots of cuts probably due to thin jaws? this was an old style duke as well, sharp edges were removed too. I would believe that a welded offset would be just as bad if the welds rubbed on the skin as a sharp edge or corner, now go and stick your hands in some traps!!! ;D
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Post by Maineman on Apr 4, 2004 8:55:08 GMT -6
here is my two cents worth, I have a nasty little fetish, I like to stick my hand in traps, LMFAO... chessiepup, You're a sick man... I'm just really glad you don't sell blenders or garbage disposals for a living....
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Post by dj88ryr on Apr 4, 2004 9:00:14 GMT -6
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by chessiepup on Apr 4, 2004 9:36:33 GMT -6
hey someones gotta do it ;D
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Post by 17kiss on Apr 4, 2004 10:10:13 GMT -6
Chessiepup, Bridger #3 reg. jaws smarts like hell , no cutting , minor bruising. caught at index finger main knuckle. Bridger #2 reg. jaw same deal , diferent fingers.Yesterday experiments ;D
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Post by Stef on Apr 4, 2004 10:16:10 GMT -6
[glow=red,2,300]The unanswered question is will the lugged offset cause less damage..........[/glow]
What is below is for K-9, not for coon!
On high foot catches..... I say NO On toes catches.... I will say... less escape!
Stef
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Post by vttrapper on Apr 4, 2004 18:11:00 GMT -6
I agree with Stef on the high foot catches, on toe catches it depends. If the lug misses the toe then it won't matter . If the lug makes contact then more damage will occur. Sheared offsets with laminations and filed edges are a better trap for me.
frank
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Post by nib420247 on Apr 5, 2004 6:00:38 GMT -6
Hello fellow trappers. I have only been trapping for one year, so my advice is only so good. My coyote traps are #2 duke offset, 4 coiled, baseplated, center swiveled, with 3/16 inside jaw lamination, The total jaw with is now about 7/16....almost a 1/2 in. These traps are extremely humane. (The farmer didn't even know his hound spent the night in my trap till I told him.) But more importantly a small grinner couldn't pull his foot out. That leads me to belive that a coon coulden't pull out easily eather. But like I said I only have a year experiance and haven't cought more than 2 coons in those traps, but I think they have supreme holding power, as there was no pullouts at all in the 3 weeks those traps were in use...wish I knew enough to say for sure that these traps would hold every passing coon but all I can say is "I think it would work perfect for coon and coyote"
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Post by Maineman on Apr 5, 2004 6:04:04 GMT -6
nib420247, first off welcome to the site...You'll find that everyone has an opinion here some opinions coming with more experience than others but so far as I can tell, ALL are welcome...
Allot of good people on here, and allot to learn
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