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Post by primetime on Jan 18, 2006 10:45:56 GMT -6
I was wondering what different ideas people had for there drowning rigs. I've found that one of the tougher parts of trapping is to have all the equipment needed at a set location. I'm always forgetting something or if not forgetting anything find that I need to carry to much "Junk" around with me, or fumble around with to much "Stuff" at the set.
I've found that I like cable, but would not be above using wire. What are some set ups you all use? I want simple and easy. Things that don't take up a lot of space and that will work in most situations. I could really use the (3) day check I can achieve with a drowning device. I'm getting tired of checking everyday because I don't have my sets on a drowning cable. I'm talking Coon here, but I would also use this info for Beaver.
Be specific, and if you've got pics, by all means post them. I've got access to all the rebar I could want, and also a welder so if you've got plans to build things let me know.
PT
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Post by thefoxtrapper on Jan 18, 2006 10:54:51 GMT -6
all i use are aircraft cable and pogo anchors (fender washers), cheapest lightest deal going and will hold a mack truck in nearly every situation, I dont like wire for slide systems, I use wire some for entaglement sets for coon, stake in deep water with trap just reaching set, he will go out and wrap up and drown, but thats about the extent of wire usage for me, w
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Post by trappnman on Jan 18, 2006 10:56:14 GMT -6
best is a cable set up. I used wire for decades, and while it works ok, you still get coon kinking te wire, and thatsa trouble. A simple cable say 10 feet long, with a loop on both ends, with a sliding lock attached to cable, is all you need. I have fancier ones made with a bracket and a cam lock for adjusting, but thats not needed. I'll have my slide set ups all ready to go, trap, 2 stakes, etc. Just grab and go.
If you use wire- DO NOT use anything smaller than #11.
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Post by primetime on Jan 18, 2006 11:14:45 GMT -6
What if 10' is to long? Do you just angle it up or down stream to make it work?
How much stake on the shore end?
How much stake or weight on the water end and what is preferred?
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Post by primetime on Jan 18, 2006 11:21:12 GMT -6
Also, I'm really not sure. How much water is needed to drown say a Coon - Beaver?
Give it to me in Feet, and then I'll measure it out on my body so I have an idea. I may be thinking I need more water then I really do. Also do you shorten the chain on your drowning traps??
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Post by Steve Gappa on Jan 18, 2006 11:22:29 GMT -6
thats where the adjustible cable is nice. But I usually angle up or downstream (preferred) to get ful lextension. One other nice thing about slides, keeps the set intact.
Winston- how to you retreive trap on pogos in deep water? Thats always been the drawback to me. I use either stakes, or chicken wire baskets on bottom end.
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Post by primetime on Jan 18, 2006 11:34:57 GMT -6
Do you then pull the stake up each time? How long are your stakes and how do you push them in when the water is deep?
As you can see I haven't used many drowning type sets this year, because I didn't really know what to do. But I'm learning a lot everyday that should really help me be more ready and organized next year.
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Post by trappnman on Jan 18, 2006 11:45:48 GMT -6
depends on the set up. Most, I pull the bottom stake.I use regular rebar on bottom if bottom is right consistency. push flat into bottom. I will not try to drown a coon in under 3 feet of water, more is better.
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Post by primetime on Jan 18, 2006 12:00:23 GMT -6
OK, now that is were you loose me. How do you pull the bottom stake in 3' of water when it's pushed in tight to bottom?
So we are talking waist deep water or more.
How do Cam Locks work as a drowning lock? I've used the swivels that come on most traps, but think the Cam Locks look like they would work good.
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Post by thefoxtrapper on Jan 18, 2006 12:35:07 GMT -6
steve, i have a couple pogo drivers that are about 3 feet long, i anchor in about waist deep water for beaver, i just use my foot to push it down and then hook the handle with my foot to retrieve, when a catch is made I pull the whole rig up, either wrap over my shoulder and bull it out or wrap around my thumper and pull by hand, sounds like a big deal to pull each time, but only minutes to re set both ends and trap and gone, w
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Post by trappnman on Jan 18, 2006 13:21:43 GMT -6
ok, thats about how I do the stakes/
OK, now that is were you loose me. How do you pull the bottom stake in 3' of water when it's pushed in tight to bottom?
How do I pull it to remove it at end of year? I....pull....LOL
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Post by trappnman on Jan 18, 2006 13:23:24 GMT -6
the cam lock is not the drownig lock- its to adjust the length of the cable.
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Post by primetime on Jan 18, 2006 13:26:52 GMT -6
NO ;D You said you pull it up after every catch. Do you pull the bank stake first and then use the cable to pull the deep stake? Do you somehow grab your catch and pull up on that? Do you hook the cable with something to pull the bottom stake? I tried it once, but would always get wet out in waste deep water or deeper trying to pull a stake from the bottom. That's why I figured a weight was easier, because you could just pull that in from shore and toss back out.
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Post by primetime on Jan 18, 2006 13:27:54 GMT -6
My question - Could it be used as the drowning lock?
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Post by thefoxtrapper on Jan 18, 2006 13:36:29 GMT -6
yeah i pull the top end first then the bottom, i stay wet when trapping, if im dry im not working hard enough and not setting fast enough, wet and cold dont bother me like it does others, w
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Post by primetime on Jan 18, 2006 13:42:22 GMT -6
Doesn't bother me much either if I can go home and clean up and get on some warm cloths. When I have to go straight to work afterwords, I like to stay somewhat dry.
I don't think Veteran trappers really realize how many things come second nature to them, but are totally thought over by a novice or beginner trapper.
The whole concept was pretty much foreign to me up until this year. I realized the point of it, but didn't realize how much was involved to pull it off. And in some cases how little can be involved to make it work.
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Post by trappnman on Jan 18, 2006 13:49:54 GMT -6
I use the slack in the cable to pull the bottom stake. I never pull the top stake. I also always angle the stake away from the bank, and the top stake angled to the bank.
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Post by primetime on Jan 18, 2006 13:50:31 GMT -6
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Post by primetime on Jan 18, 2006 13:57:34 GMT -6
So can I assume that when you encounter deeper water say water that is nearly over your waders a person then uses a weight. In around that waist deep water you use a stake.
Do you want a short chain, or doesn't that really matter?
A few last questions. Are 3/8" rebar "T" stakes ok? Is 3/32" cable fine? What is recommended? Desired LENGTH of "T" stake.
I'm trying to put this all together in my head to get a game plan figured out. Hope I'm not asking to many questions. And some questions I sort of already know, but I'm just asking them for the sake of myself and hopefully others.
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Post by thefoxtrapper on Jan 18, 2006 14:44:54 GMT -6
very rarely use weights, if real deep, i just skirt along the bank until cable is tight and then just pogo on the sloped bank under water as far down as i can reach, i live on the edge, hehehehe, pun intended, w
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