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Post by dj88ryr on Jan 21, 2005 13:09:49 GMT -6
If we can get off on a tangent a little here, Tom, what did you not like about the 1.5 coil?
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Post by bnolan on Jan 21, 2005 13:35:11 GMT -6
Tom, I'm glad you pointed out the size of the pan on those new Dukes. That was a question that I had, My old victors, are good traps but I felt the pan was undersized. You said that they where 1 5/8, what is that pan size on 1.5's? I also heard that the delay pin as been removed, If so do you think that this makes a difference? Do you think the new dukes are heavy enough to hold a rat down without a drowning slide?
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Post by trappnman on Jan 21, 2005 14:05:17 GMT -6
any trap in deep water will drown a rat most times.
Tom is right in that a #1 doesn't have the weight and you lose rats through tangled up rats/vegetation...which was why the stoploss was invented.
While I didn't design the trap- i've held it and set it and while its a nice trap- isn't any heavyier in my mind than any other #1 stoploss.
But you will lose less rats than a #1 that isn't stoploss.
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Post by Bogmaster on Jan 21, 2005 14:17:09 GMT -6
Crow,I had the delay pin removed--they are not needed.As a matter of fact the failure of most stop loss springs to function are due to the delay pins getting hung up-- The trap functions to perfection, without a delay pin. This trap will work just fine without a slide wire.It has enough weight to take a rat down and out,unless they become entangled in vegetation---this is where the stoploss comes into play. The pan on a Duke #1 1/2 coil is 2 and 1/16 of an inch. The pan on the victor stoploss is 1 and 7/16 of an inch. DJ,I alwys found the #1 1/2 coil a pain to set when wearing gauntlets,now If I were to set 20 or 30 of these for coon or mink,that is something I can put up with.Setting a150 or better---uh uh,also I dont need or want the extra weight.Another factor,setting in soft areas,a lot of the rats were caught in the wrist area---and I dont need to tell you what the result of that is.That is why I set # 11/2 coils as a last resort,for rats. They are more of a hindrance,than a help for the areas and way I trap. Tom Olson
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Post by dj88ryr on Jan 21, 2005 14:47:37 GMT -6
I don't even know how people trap wearing gloves, I can't, I bare hand it, whether canines or water, yeah my hands get cold, but I will deal with that, I have tried setting traps with gloves, it is comical, and X rated for language. As far as weight, that is what I want, and as I set mostly pockets, I have coon to contend with too, and I want them at the end of the wire as well, so the 1.5 CS covers the bases.
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Post by fishadict on Jan 21, 2005 17:52:22 GMT -6
I have listened to Beav and use mostly 1.75’s. I trap streams and target rats, mink, and coon. I set feed beds, blind sets, or pocket sets depending on what sign I see as I am setting. On rats they grip high and take them down fast. The only disadvantage I can see with the 1.75 is the weight, but that is also an advantage. I am new to canine trapping, but according to Steve, can use the same traps for animals up to coyote.
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Post by Bogmaster on Jan 21, 2005 18:16:32 GMT -6
Fish, you are trapping a total differnt kind of habitat than me,boggy lakes and swamps versus your streams. Some areas everything from canoe and traps are hauled in a long way ,the 1 3/4 would not be a trap of choice in these situations. As I said before,I catch quite a few coon in stoploss. The largest beaver I held in one weighed 53 pounds. For my type of trapping the stoploss is the ticket. DJ--I used to avoid gauntlets like the plague,hours of submersion tear my hands to pieces---also breaking ice from te traps and rat houses bare handed is no longer an option. Tom Olson
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Post by dj88ryr on Jan 21, 2005 18:19:43 GMT -6
Tom, Being a live bait dealer as well as a trapper up in NH, I know what you mean about the hands, sometime at a convention or through PM, I will tell ya how I fixed that problem, and still able to work bare handed.
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Post by Foxy5 on Jan 21, 2005 18:37:04 GMT -6
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Post by fishadict on Jan 21, 2005 18:44:43 GMT -6
Tom – Agree, which is why I said the weight is a disadvantage (for carrying) and an advantage (in drowning). The other big advantage for the trapper that desires to pursue a variety of animals, is the versatility.
DJ – be careful with the joints or you will pay later. An alternative is to use neoprene gloves when the weather is cold but not bitter. I cut the fingers off on the fingers I need to. The gloves act like a wet suit. Keeps those joints from hurting.
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Post by bnolan on Jan 21, 2005 19:55:00 GMT -6
Tom, Thanks again for the reply. So if I understand all of this, is that they are heavy enough to drown a rat, and where designed to keep a rat from twisting out. Also good where you can't drown them and igood in heavy vegetation. Well now I must decide!
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Post by dj88ryr on Jan 21, 2005 20:28:02 GMT -6
Like I said, I don't have a need for them on my present line, but in Tom's kind of trapping, which is what I had in NH, I did use them. I still keep 18-20 on hand, cause when you need em.....you need em!!!
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