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Post by trappnman on May 23, 2007 6:50:47 GMT -6
When I've seen a situation like that- and it can happen anytime throughout the winter- I just figured they are finally eating the food, because they needed the food.
I can see the coyotes know its there- but until "that point" they are uninterested.
I wish more farmers had pigs- it seems like a pig dump pile, gets worked almost constantly.
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Post by garman on May 23, 2007 6:54:31 GMT -6
I remember when I worked turkey trapping for the DNR in Iowa alot of times turkeys/and other critters would not come to bait until alot of snow and cold weather. Especially for a period of time, they would sit 50-100yds off bait and scratch at the ground. Wanted to scavenge there own. I am just guessing some of the same for yotes but must like the taste of a good pork chop. LOL
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Post by trappnman on May 23, 2007 7:00:58 GMT -6
I used to laugh at seeing the new positions each day on the smaller pigs. today they'd be here, tomorrow over there....
I'd amuse myself by thinking they were playing their own version of using the pigskin...(football)
THey can sure clean up a deer in a hurry if they want to. A couple of years ago, trapping a creek after deer season, saw a wounded doe trying to cross the creek. She worked hard at it, but made it and was walking away "normally". 3 days later, I found a deer laying by creek less than 50 yards from where I saw her- nothing left by head, spine and hoofs. Since tihs wasn't there the last time through, I'm guessing it was same deer.
garmen- you trap yotes around rochester? If so, how did you do? I get up to the 247 area, but thats as far south as I go.
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Post by Zagman on May 23, 2007 7:25:57 GMT -6
I have had reliable resources tell me they bow-shot a deer and waited the 30-45 minutes to go find it and already had coyotes working on the buttox.... Very common for a guy to shoot one in the evening, and leave it go until morning light and have it completely slicked up..... Makes people hate coyotes even more.... I know of 5 coyotes that have been shot this turkey season on my farms, two of which were lactating females.... I am the only guy around here that WONT shoot them now and also the only guy who gets pissed when I hear about it..... I want them to live so I can whack them....... ;D Zagman
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Post by garman on May 23, 2007 7:56:50 GMT -6
T-man can honestly this will be my first year on attempting to assault the coyotes around roch. I have trapped them in southeast IA so. of muscatine and nw Ia around Spirit Lake. I sure do miss the fox, well maybe someday the coyotes will do a mass self-destruction like the lemmings. LOL of course then I will miss the yotes. Grass is always greener. I tell my wife someday I will move out east Penn. where the fox are she says you do you will be leaving this redhead for those redheads then. LOL
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Post by trappnman on May 23, 2007 8:06:55 GMT -6
I've been noticing an increase in yote/fox ratios here over past 20 some years.
starting out- it was 10 yotes to every fox..
last couple of years, its been 3 to 1.
intersting on how quick the yotes hit your deer in NY Zags.
a year ago, we found 4 dead deer from the buck season the week before. Hunted around them another week, and not one was touched.
yet gut piles- are fed on.
I'm pretty sure the coyotes found that deer I commented on crippled or down and dying. Perhaps its the movement that triggers the early response?
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Post by trptyler on May 23, 2007 23:52:44 GMT -6
trptyler I wonder if coming off of breeding season or being in breeding season brought up the greater need for an easy food source? I'm not sure. During the madness that is WV firearms deer season, coyotes usually are hidden in a bunker, or so it seems. I've seen areas with lots of sign be barren for weeks during and after deer season. WV has a 2 week firearms buck season, followed by an anterless season, followed by a blackpowder season, followed by the last three days of the year open anterless season. The deer hunters are in the woods from the week before Thanksgiving until the last day of the year. It's like a four wheeler rally race that lasts four or five weeks. The 'yotes get really scarce until after that's all over. No sign (tracks or scat). Then, after that, the breeding season usually starts in earnest. IMHO, it's a major disruption to their travel patterns and feeding habits. They usually only visit gutpiles and carcasses sporadically, until the madness is over. This past season, I saw four or five carcasse piles 100-150 yds from a logging road that were never touched by 'yotes-crows and possums were the only animals that left a track around them, as my son and I checked them daily as we ran our own traps. In this area, we see very little livestock depredation by 'yotes, but they sure have put an A-1 hurtin' on the feral dogs and cats. Maybe it's just a geographical oddity due to the nature of this area- no big dairy/beef farms, no poultry farms, no pig farms, probably only 5 or six farms in the whole county over 500 acres. The rest are small "hobby farms" 100 acres or less. The major land uses around here are oil and gas production, and timber. We have three or four "core areas" where people see and hear 'yotes regularly, and the rest of the county they are only sighted sporadically. In and out every couple of weeks or so. Seems like they have a "beat" they travel to feed. Come in, harvest, move on for a few days, then swing back by. Oh well, like I said, if it was easy, it wouldn't be any fun. Good luck, Paul
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