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Post by flattail on Apr 15, 2007 17:12:32 GMT -6
Hey guys I know how eye appeal is very important for cat trapping. But what do you guys think of it for coyote trapping. I use alot of eye appeal if you call a big flashy dithole eye appeal I use it. And I use alot of bones out here trapping everthing seems to look the same in the area I trap so I feel things that stand out work better for me here in Western ND. Or maybe I'm just
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Post by Bottomline on Apr 15, 2007 17:35:23 GMT -6
Saw Bob Wendt use a cow turd for backing and caught one.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 15, 2007 18:31:41 GMT -6
never really tohught much about visuals until a conversation with Wiley. That got me thinking, and I do like to use visuals on a lot of sets- maybe 1/3.
I like to use bones, rocks, even a dug hole with a mound of dirt by it close to the set as a visual, but far enough away from the set to let the set stand alone.
My thought is divide a coyotes attention -part of his attention on the visual, part on the set-
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 15, 2007 18:40:24 GMT -6
in similar words of the ignoeed one, it depends. I have an area in wyoming that I trap, that a local that keeps traps out all fall and winter on the same spot,uses big bones, cow heads, horse pelvises etc at every set, on every fence corner. complete with badger rings and catch stink. I`ve gone out in april and seen in big snows where even the dumbo fox take wide berths around his bone sets. the dude is in his 80`s and been setting the same identical locations and been using bones at every set for what, maybe 60 years continuous. the dude has trained a race of coyotes to avoid bones and flash like the plague. so, it "depends".
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Post by flattail on Apr 15, 2007 18:53:20 GMT -6
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Post by wheelie on Apr 17, 2007 9:47:36 GMT -6
No visual, no Big goddie dirt hole.......
There is enough trappers, wannabe sportsmen, or guys that remember grandpa's dirthole set that if you make them to obvious your trap comes up missing...
Small D-Hole the size of a golf ball and a small dirt pattern the size of the trap is hard to find by onlookers.........Coyotes seem to find them without problem.
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Post by timbob on Apr 17, 2007 14:41:44 GMT -6
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Post by flatlander (Jeff Yancy) on Apr 17, 2007 19:35:47 GMT -6
I hate to be too egotistical, but I have trapped a ton of 'Yotes and what I have learned is: iffen ya want to catch numbers, keep the visuals (Perfect Set) in your mind and set for the smartest predator of the fur bearing kingdom. "Try trapping 'Yotes for a living and they'll educate you in a hurry unless your already fat" Jeff
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Post by trappnman on Apr 18, 2007 6:59:14 GMT -6
Using visuals means
1) you don't have to wander around looking for that EXACT location spot
2) you don't have to worry about WIND direction- just EYE direction
I like visuals. I like bones, rocks, big holes.
As far as theft- isn't a catch circle a giveway?
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Post by wheelie on Apr 18, 2007 8:04:20 GMT -6
As far as theft- isn't a catch circle a giveway? Yep, dead giveaway.....but, your not going to start a line out with imitation catch circles are you? You use your "bones, rocks, big holes".....makes no diff to me... When setting on location, on Track, you don't need that "Visual" effect...lol....(but maybe some do... )
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Post by timbob on Apr 18, 2007 8:33:29 GMT -6
Would you considered a turd eye appeal? ?
Also, Is the dirthole set so popular because it creates some eye appeal, or because you dont have to spend so much effort blending in the set?
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Post by trappnman on Apr 18, 2007 9:17:56 GMT -6
Yep, dead giveaway.....but, your not going to start a line out with imitation catch circles are you? yeah, but wheelie..day 2... Would you considered a turd eye appeal? ?
I would, but not a long range visual Wheelie- I set where I 1) have access 2) out of sight this is not always "right on the track". I've believe that visuals pull lots further than lures.
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Post by Wiley on Apr 18, 2007 10:00:47 GMT -6
Visuals are important to coyotes but the difference is that those visuals need to appear natural.
A big circular trap burnout with a pelvic bone in the middle of it, old lure odors smeared everywhere, old animal odors everywhere, possibly blood odors, possibly a whiff of human odor in combination with these other sites and smells is not a natural occuring visual.
Bones, fresh dug holes, droppings, grass clumps, standout rocks and cowpies that appear natural will all enhance a set BUT THEY HAVE TO APPEAR NATURAL to catch the highest percentage of any given coyote population.
The less natural they appear, the less percentage of a given population you will take.
If you are trapping coyote pups in an area of heavy coyote population, your refusals from unnatural visuals become less noticeable.
~SH~
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Post by GaTrapper on Apr 22, 2007 20:54:12 GMT -6
On all my land sets for k-9 and cats i use a big hole and feathers. Works for me.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 23, 2007 18:53:13 GMT -6
If your on location the eye appeal doesn't need to be big and fancy, the further away from direct coyote movement the more eye appeal needed. To much and non targets become a big issue, when targeting coyotes only I don't want alot of flash at the majority of my sets, due to this issue.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 24, 2007 6:27:07 GMT -6
you believe possums and skunks are attracted to bones, etc? Can't say as I've ever seen trash more at visual sets- but will look at it this year.
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Post by bobwendt on Apr 24, 2007 7:31:40 GMT -6
birds maybe for fur, that`s all I could ever see. I`d rather just set exactly on sign and then no worries about needing visuals. a track is a track.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 24, 2007 7:43:08 GMT -6
in western climes- its easy to set on tracks, because all the landscape is pretty much the same and if you have access- you have access.
Here, my access is limited, plus in these hills, the wind isn't the "constant" direction wind it is out west.
So visuals make it easy to set "off tracks".
Visuals are just another tool- use them if you have need, and if you don't don't use them.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Apr 24, 2007 7:58:23 GMT -6
One of my favorite gang sets uses both.
I have quite a few dry stock ponds out here. One of my favorite sets is to put a big ole cow skull or something like that right out in the middle where it can be seen for a long ways especially from up on the dam.
I stink it up or not depending on my mood usually stink up big time.
Then I will gang set back away from it with subtle flat sets mostly, figuring where they will circle.
A transplanted tuft of grass with either no lure or just a splash of urine, another one or two with just a coyote turd, maybe a little dirthole just scratched out no lure, then the best ones are to make 2-3 sets up on the dam where they go to look.
Set these up on drags so the caught coyotes get a little ways off except for the set by the gaudy stinky place. If you catch one there it acts to make it even more gaudy with him jumping around or a catch circle.
The idea is to get them circling the main attraction and working the other sets with their mind distracted by the main event. The use of visuals is more important here than scent as they will go over to a tuft of grass with no lure because of displacement behavior in a hyper state.
You catch them and they get out of the stock dam because of no brush to tangle.
The fact that the dry dam is open without cover is significant because they aren't as spooky when they can see around.
The sets up on the dam (high point) will always work.
I've taken triples and one quadruple and lots of doubles using this set.
The eye appeal gets them close and the eye appeal catches them in the unlured sets.
From watching coyotes work flagged cat sets this technique would work great by just hanging something flashy up like cat trappers do and then setting subtle coyote sets or snares around the perimeter.
I could catch a million around my cat sets if I wanted to ring the set with coyote sets. To bad they aren't worth more.
Joel
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Post by trappnman on Apr 24, 2007 8:04:42 GMT -6
Good post Joel- I agree with it 100%.
Most of my visuals are not at the trap- but 20-50 feet away from the trap- often between 2 traps.
I too agree with the thought that having a visual distracts or divides a coyotes attention- causing less "screwing around" at the set itself.
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