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Post by robertw on Mar 17, 2007 8:23:52 GMT -6
I know some of you have been nice enough to share your recipes in the past.
I've got around 100 or so bobcat anals with 2" or so of intestine still attached and about half that many bladders after the urine was drained from them that I have collected.
Please share with me your favorite home made recipes.
Do any of you add skunk essence or fat to your bobcat gland lures?
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Post by Wiley on Mar 17, 2007 10:45:03 GMT -6
Grind the glands up, rot them down to a paste, mix 50/50 bobcat urine and glycerine until you get the consistancy you want and use it at the set. Nothing to it.
~SH~
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Post by coyotewhisperer on Mar 17, 2007 10:47:38 GMT -6
Glad you posted this Robert  I've got a gallon of cat glands trying to figure out what I want to do with them. Wiley - how long do you rot them? then are you adding benzoate for preservative? Jeff |
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Post by Wiley on Mar 17, 2007 11:03:23 GMT -6
Rot them until you have a consistancy that you want then put in the freezer until you are ready to use it. If you think you might have carry over, then preserve it with sodium benzoate. 4oz. per gallon to keep it from breaking down further. If you are using it before it has a chance to break down, then you don't gain anything by preserving it.
Hopefully Bob Jameson will respond as he knows more about this than I do and might have some better ideas and additives.
I would rather keep the gland lure just glands and urine at a cat set and use curiousity lures in addition to the gland lure.
~SH~
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Post by woodie on Mar 17, 2007 11:26:55 GMT -6
Hey Robert,I think and do like wiley,Only I don't rot them down so much.I just slightly taint them and add sod. benz. then mix with urine and glycerin. I keep the skunk and castors separate,these 3 things and a feather and I'm set. btw,nice to meet you at the MTA meeting,really wanted to talk with you but got sick and had to bail out.
My wife just shakes her head "How can a grown man get so excited over a jarfull of a$$holes"
Mike
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 17, 2007 12:02:18 GMT -6
what wiley said. don`t risk overpowering them with skunk/castor/etc. good cat glands are scarce as hens teeth. don`t ruin them by turning them into skunk or caster smell. but like woodie, I believe I wouldn`t rot all the way down. I like a ratio of 100 clean butts( I`d throw those intestines away as too much risk of rotting to sewer) 1 liver( smell a cat liver- you smell cat) , a double fistfull of belly fat from fat cats ( smell it- cat smell too)and 10 gall bladers. the gall will break down the fat. any other animals parts like from skunks or beavers, minks etc will dilute out that goods cat smell. I save the glands under the ears too. the microscopicc face rub glands- not lymph nodes and not salivary glands.
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Post by robertw on Mar 17, 2007 13:19:08 GMT -6
Bob,
Thanks for mentioning the belly fat on those cats....I had forgotten about that and just got through scraping the last of them this morning!
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Post by Bob Jameson on Mar 17, 2007 14:54:00 GMT -6
First you need to decide whether you want a paste type lure in the end or a liquid type for squirt bottle type applications. Or you can make a batch of each if you so desire. Developing a lure in a more fluid state can give you a greater volume amount. The more age you have on glands the greater the product extension possibilities are as the end result in formulation options.
The more fresh the gland age is the more tissue mass will still be present but yet it will potentially give you more body to your product as an end result and a distinctly more fresh gland odor.
There are lots of ways to go here in developing a gland lure depending on the volume and viscosity you wish when you have a finished product.
An option is using a lure base to mix with your gland formula.A couple of lure bases can be developed and added to bulk up the volume of your glands if you so desire without affecting quality or odor to any great degree.
One such base can be ground, aged cat meat to liquid ( If you wish a stronger odored gland lure ). Or you can grind and age/puree to your desired state of paste consistency. Another base is aged down ground/pureed cat intestines,cat stomach fat and skunk oil mixed together.
Again the consistency of the final gland product is dependent on the degree of age on the base material. Pure meat or aged gland breakdown medium is very paste like in texture. Glands and urine mixes will be more fluid in nature after aging has been complete.
Both these aged bases will give you a very nice paste like consistency. Then you add some preservative such as benzoate, zinc valerate or borax to hold the aged base odor where you want it. A few drops of canton musk(10-15 drops) or (5-10 drops) tonquin can be added as a fixative to a small batch of lure of a quart or less. The canton musk is very sweet and blends in nicely.
An 1/2 to 1 ounce of valerian liquid will add a nice change to a gland lure if desired.
Mix the bases with 75% volume of a good cat urine and 25% aged cat glands that are pureed if a liquid lure is desired. Use the heavy paste gland straight if you desire a paste type lure.
You can make a mix 50/50 glands and urine if you wish as suggested also. However, you can still get a bang up smellling cat gland lure with 25-30% gland volume to 75% urine ratio when added to an aged prepared base.
Your yield will be much greater in volume in the end and you can really pile it on at a set with great residual potential if you wish in high dryout areas or extreme cold temps.
A few drops of pure skunk quill can be added to boost the mix. Just dont over apply unless you really wish to boost it for use in colder conditions. Skunk when added in smaller quantities will blend nicely in a few months and just add more strength to the gland lure.
Glycerine or glycol can be added to volumize to a greater fluid volume and will give greater antifreezeing qualities to your finished product.Mineral oil can be used as a fluid additive also but it becomes viscous in nature when exposed to colder temps and thickens considerably. It is still shakeable in liquid form at below freezing temps and it has very good residual holding properities.
Make sure the final product and all ingredients are aged/mixed and stirred frequently during the aging process. Keep the lid loosened as some gas will develop while aging and needs to escape during this process. Keep the flies out by screening or venting your mix.
Straight glands and urine can be used as well but I prefer to extend my glands by blending with a base and boosting the potential volume of the glands. A good cat urine will bring out the true cat gland essence in a base and actually make it more enticing.
BJ
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 17, 2007 15:22:16 GMT -6
that tonquin, it grows, serious, what smells right is over powering a day later. you been warned!--- too muchand you get the french ho house effect.----------------------
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Post by coyotewhisperer on Mar 17, 2007 15:58:11 GMT -6
What a great post Bob J!! Exactly why this site is No #1!
Jeff
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Post by Bob Jameson on Mar 17, 2007 16:13:08 GMT -6
Bob you are correct. Tonquin can compound in a formula if used improperly by meaning using too much. That is a good cautioning point. Most available tonquins now however are synthetic and dont have near the potential strength as pure tonquin of yester year.. The amount I have suggested for use are nominal to adequate for the material of volume in question.
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Post by robertw on Mar 17, 2007 19:16:33 GMT -6
BobJ,
Thanks for the input.
This is for my own use and not real interested in increasing the volume of the lure but...definitely am wanting some type of grease, skunk fat or bobcat belly fat added to the lure to keep the lure from drying out.
I tend to collect more gall bladers from beaver due to the increased amount of fluid than I do from bobcats and this is what I was planning on using to emulsify the formula. Anybody see a down side to using Beaver gall bladders?
With the addition of glycerine the lure is already getting thin enough as I prefer a paste type lure.
I guess I'm more into the slightly tainted gland than I am the aged glands that are total broken down, always just felt that I lost to much odor by letting the glands break down all of the way. I'd like to preserve the "knock your socks off" cat smell.
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 17, 2007 19:38:00 GMT -6
I`D USE CAT GALL INSTEAD OF BEAVER GALL, BUT i GUESS IT CAN`T BE MUCH DIFFERERENT. BUT YOU THINK, THE FUNCTION OF GALL IS BREAK DOWN FATS IN THE DIET, AND HOW STRONG COULD BEAVER GALL BE COMPARED TO ANY PREDATER GALL? i`D GO THE CAT IF YOU STILL HAVE CARCASES TO ROB. oh dang, cap lock
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Post by Steve Gappa on Mar 18, 2007 8:35:56 GMT -6
as Dave Hastings once said- what idiot put the caps lock right next to "a"?
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Post by Steve Gappa on Mar 18, 2007 8:36:35 GMT -6
so bottom line- do you get more cats using lure?
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 18, 2007 8:59:12 GMT -6
lol, not according to the new ocatman on dobbins! but beings I`m a "NOT" over there, what would I know? but I do use lure, sorry no nothing scmuck that I am. if only I was 24 again and new everything before I forgot it.....
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Post by Stef on Mar 18, 2007 10:08:25 GMT -6
Hey Bob, I read somewhere that you're not a good cat trapper ;D  ;D ;D |
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Post by rk660 on Mar 18, 2007 11:01:42 GMT -6
Robert, if needing some cat gall bladders Ill be gutting carcasses in about a week and save you some.
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 18, 2007 11:12:21 GMT -6
now there is a brother.
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Post by robertw on Mar 18, 2007 12:44:38 GMT -6
Kasper,
Please do so, we'll work something out on them, probably need 10 or so.
Gappa;"so bottom line- do you get more cats using lure?"
Who in their right mind would go bobcat trapping with out lure? Yes they can be caught on just urine or bait but....Good Lure definitely is worth WAY MORE than what it is priced at.
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