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Post by max12rex on Nov 18, 2005 11:22:34 GMT -6
I set out for my 1st trapping season 6 #3 bridger double coils in dirt holes and flat sets for coyote and fox. Caught 1 coon, 1 fox, 1 possum so far.Problem is I've had about 10 misses with fur on the trap. I need some ideas. Is the pan tension too light or some other problems. Any ideas will be helpful. BTW the fox had pulled out of my trap and was dead, somehow, about 10 feet away
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 18, 2005 12:04:55 GMT -6
the fox did not pull out and die, likely coyotes or dogs did it. you are lucky you found him and he was salvageable. the fur in traps is likely from coyotes or other animals rolling instead of walking on your sets. hoping not to embaress any dealers, but your bait is either rot gut sewage or your pee is rotgut sewage. change to fresh meat and decent pee or at least different products. there could be other explanations, but they are way way WAY down the list. where are you from, I mean to know if you are in red fox or coyote country? just the state is all .
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Post by max12rex on Nov 18, 2005 12:16:34 GMT -6
I am from kentucky. I am using revenge. I just ordered 2 more lures- northwest predator canine catcher lure and miranda yote dope. Thought I would give them a try. Do I need to adjust anything else? I used the possum as bait inside a holow treestump that has only one way in and set the trap about 4 inches back. Thats where I caught the coon, but no k9's. Is that feasible as coyote, fox bait?
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 18, 2005 12:50:24 GMT -6
no `possum is not good bait. get with gappa on here and order some of stefs lures, gappa, tell him what he needs and get him lined out.
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Post by max12rex on Nov 18, 2005 13:14:45 GMT -6
How can I contact gappa to try some stef's lures? If I can't find gappa which would you suggest? Btw more grey than red gox here
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 18, 2005 14:09:18 GMT -6
lol, he is the guy that owns this site, tman, gappa, biker dude, reformer, lunatic, troublemaker etc etc. he`ll be on here shortly, or you can scroll to the top and he has a catalog there.
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Post by max12rex on Nov 18, 2005 14:35:36 GMT -6
Found it. Also on 2 of these misses I had a capture circle, but no animal and had a foot on another
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 18, 2005 16:36:23 GMT -6
you mean a foot in the trap and the rest of the animal not there? what kind of a foot, like was it a rabbit and coyotes came and ate it ,or you mean you think the trap cut the foot off or what? are you swiveling the chains, running regular etc. something doesn`t sound right. maybe you meant a foot print? explain a little more.
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Post by woodie on Nov 18, 2005 16:46:29 GMT -6
Hey Max,I've got some bobcat chunked,tainted slightly ,and put up in bait solution(I won't mention whose solution),I like it better ground. If you don't have any bait ,send me your address and I'll ship you some.You can grind it if you want,all I have is a hand grinder and its a pain in the butt,you'll have to grind your own. Get youself some of Stef's lure. These guys are telling you straight. Go through the land trapping archives here,theres a lifetime of info there.
You can pm me your add.
Mike
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Post by max12rex on Nov 18, 2005 17:11:32 GMT -6
there was a fox foot on the ground cut off. broken bones. My traps are offset with no modification cause I don't know what I should or should not do to them. There are swivels on it already on both ends of the chain. Getting kinda frustrated with the miss/pullout deal cause at least 3 were catches for sure with no animal when I got there. Woodie- thanks but I don't have a way to grind it. I will get stef's lure but which one(s)? I will go thru the archives for sure, just thought I'd try this 1st cause it's making me mad as a hatter! thanks alot for your input so far
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Post by max12rex on Nov 18, 2005 22:16:50 GMT -6
Any other thoughts on preventing pullouts. Am I doing something wrong or is this that common? Are misses common? Summary 3 catches 7 misses 3 pullouts
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 19, 2005 3:36:27 GMT -6
max, flat out, you ar not telling all and I think you know more than you are saying. your story of a "fox foot cut off on the ground" is baloney. even had a fox somehow tangled and left a foot and gone it would be from you not running the trap regular, like never came back, or hum,ans stealing your animal and playing with your head cutting feet off. also the foot would be in the trap and not on the ground. so things are not adding up. if you are legit, me or any guy on here would go a mile out of their way to help you, but you have to be straight with us on this "foot cut off and on the ground story". if this is true as you say, let me suggest you pull everything and take a short 1 day trapper ed course or register with traps 4 kids and get hooked up with a mentor there in ky. de-footing animals is b.s. and not acceptable.
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Post by max12rex on Nov 19, 2005 14:50:57 GMT -6
I am telling the truth as I know it. I was just looking for help. I check my traps at least daily and sometimes twice a day. I would gladly try any sugestions you might have. I have studied everywhere I know of trying to gain the know how to do this right- here and other sights and books as well. There was a foot on the ground is all I know- it may not have been a fox but looked like it to me, but I'm newbie so I may be wrong. On a better note, I caught my 1st coyote this am, a big male. No pullout or nothing wrong on this one. Had my 6 yr old with me . She wanted to shoot it but got scared when he started yipping. will post photo if I can figure out how
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 19, 2005 15:02:06 GMT -6
then sounds like some thief might be messing with you as the foot wouldn`t just be laying there. might explain the empty traps with catch rings too. de-footing can happen but so rare as to be almost impossible unlesss one weird circumstance. I thought you were a kid and not an adult. man, I`m sorry. Look up ky. united trappers association and see which member is closest to you to get him to go with you some day, or haul you on his line to get you started right. It`s hard to learn without seeing firsthand, at least learn fast instead of 20 years trial and error. I suppose it`s possible coyotes have been robbing your traps beings you found the dead fox away from the trap.
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Post by max12rex on Nov 19, 2005 15:13:02 GMT -6
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 19, 2005 16:46:22 GMT -6
well, that looks like a dandy. I bet he is what pulled the red fox out for you and maybe what has been messing with you. did you skin the fox and see if it had bite marks over the chest like it had been mauled? I see the coyote has all 4 feet. so something, human or otherwise has been running youyr traps for you I think. be interesting to see if things straghten around with that coyote caught. no doubt he has buddys but that one looks like the boss dog of the bunch.
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 19, 2005 17:04:40 GMT -6
p.s., forgive me for kind of coming down on you. I was thinking you might be an anti with the de-footing talk, and now see I was all wet.
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Post by max12rex on Nov 19, 2005 17:07:01 GMT -6
The fox looked like it had been beat with a bat when i skinned it, but no blood or anything on the pelt- perfectly killed apparently and in very good shape. I thought he was pretty big. Should I set other traps where that one was caught or is 1 enough. Sure would like to get a double.
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Post by max12rex on Nov 19, 2005 17:09:30 GMT -6
p.s I figured that's what you thought, but didn't know what I could say to convince you otherwise other than post this picture
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 19, 2005 18:00:05 GMT -6
most always set 2 sets about 6-8 feet apart, identical or maybe mix it up some. no doubt the coyotes got the fox. a fox or coyote when caught is a great draw for others and sometimes you get 2 fox, sometimes 2 coyotes and sometimes one of each. 2 at a time is real thrill. plus with 2 sets you still have one open if a possum or coon clogs one up. so yes, go set another close by.
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