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Post by JWarren on Nov 14, 2005 11:24:05 GMT -6
I use a bad that Dirk Miller makes 90 pounds and they seem to break on average at about 145-155. I tested these with a hanging digital fish scale. Is it the a real test IDUNNO but I sleep better. Did you test them on a straight pull or incorporated into a loop?
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Post by SteveW on Nov 14, 2005 13:14:01 GMT -6
Here in Indiana we have to use a relaxing lock on our snares. What would be the ultimate snare set up? Cable size, brand of lock, cable length etc. For coyotes.
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Post by markymark on Nov 14, 2005 14:00:29 GMT -6
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Did you test them on a straight pull or incorporated into a loop?[/quote]
First off I am not a lab tester. So here's what I did. I made several snares with different BADS on them with brand new filed High Dessert cam locks for 1/16 cable.
I did this at my friends garage. We took a 4" black steel pipe placed the snare around it loose. Ran a chain through the pipe and hooked it up to a hook in the floor that he uses to pull frames. Connected the scale to the lift and the snare swivel to the bottom of the hook. Then lifted it. The scale was a Detecto that's used by my brother inlaw for tournement fishing.
As the BADS opened we looked at the scale. Some of the BADS I fooled with nothing more than S hooks sold at Homedepot that broke at 300 plus pounds that a bought from a snare dealer. We tied some snares to the back of his dirt bike also and seem to break about the same but way quicker this was with 10 foot snares. Is this a lab test no but it gave me a better idea of what I was buying and the amount of junk being sold also.
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Post by rionueces on Nov 14, 2005 15:01:04 GMT -6
We snare high game proof fences down here with good success. I make my own using 5\64, 1x19 cable and slim locks or cam locks. Just be sure to snare the smaller crawl unders that look too small for deer. Here are a few critters from the snare line.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 14, 2005 15:32:48 GMT -6
Good photos, I noticed not much chewing on the 5/64ths? And minimal fraying of the 1x19, thats the same results I receive from this cable. The draw back to high fencing harder for them to hang themselves LOL!
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Post by JWarren on Nov 14, 2005 15:45:57 GMT -6
First off I am not a lab tester. So here's what I did. I made several snares with different BADS on them with brand new filed High Dessert cam locks for 1/16 cable. I did this at my friends garage. We took a 4" black steel pipe placed the snare around it loose. Ran a chain through the pipe and hooked it up to a hook in the floor that he uses to pull frames. Connected the scale to the lift and the snare swivel to the bottom of the hook. Then lifted it. The scale was a Detecto that's used by my brother inlaw for tournement fishing. As the BADS opened we looked at the scale. Some of the BADS I fooled with nothing more than S hooks sold at Homedepot that broke at 300 plus pounds that a bought from a snare dealer. We tied some snares to the back of his dirt bike also and seem to break about the same but way quicker this was with 10 foot snares. Is this a lab test no but it gave me a better idea of what I was buying and the amount of junk being sold also.[/quote] Reason I ask is for me a 145lb loop value will lose a bunch of coyotes and a 90lb straight pull value will give something like 400lb loop value (too stiff for me). This is talking 2.5" pipe so that may account for the difference since you were using 4". I too tried S-hooks from home depot, these were 3/4" s-hooks and they broke well under 200lb in my test. Used the cheap s-hooks for awhile and held a pile of fox, coon, and cats in them as well as some coyotes but coyotes will break out of them fairly often too (without choke springs). Still have a hunch that they would hold coyotes on a stinger setup snare. Could be something to explore for do it yourself types. In my opinion the cable strand BAD system is way more consistant than any of the s-hooks but I haven't figured out a way to use it with springs yet. I'm glad you are doing tests and experimenting. The game departments have their heads up their butts on this. I agree there is a lot of junk out there. I don't know why trappers are do it yourselfers in every other place but BADs they just buy whatever is being sold.
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Post by rionueces on Nov 14, 2005 17:16:37 GMT -6
We check our snares early in the am every day so they don't have much time to chew out. But they will chew thru a 5\64 given time. I like the 5\64 because it seems like it slides easier and will do a good job catching coons which are worth as much as the yotes on our adc lines. 1\16 doesn't work very well at all. A yote can chew thru that very quickly if you don't kill him.
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Post by Dom on Nov 14, 2005 19:11:26 GMT -6
Has anyone tried mad dog's...(Marty Senneker's) killer spring yet? That's what I'm using with 1X19X1/16 + BAD and filled camlocks, but haven't caught a coyote yet. I was just wondering if it all works as advertised. I know it works for sure on porcupines Dom.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 14, 2005 20:42:23 GMT -6
Rino, thats why I set my snares all up for a quick kill! But I have had things go wrong and I don't get alot of loss with 1x19 cable, I "teeth" them up and even hip snared coyotes go down and waiting for my return. I don't have those tall fences to deal with though LOL, I have the nice hanging size for the most part! The slim lock I have found to dig better with the 7x7 versus the 1x19 and it's smoother surface! On the 1x19 I stick with cams and teeth!
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Post by farmboy on Nov 14, 2005 23:23:10 GMT -6
Dom - You can catch coyotes on deer trails, just make sure you have a good light BAD. Makes more work, replacing blown snares, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Your bait piles will work, our Alberta weather is working against you right now. BTW, stingers work.
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Post by bobwendt on Nov 15, 2005 4:50:16 GMT -6
cable?, heck I`d snare with shoestrings and be happy if I had dry conditions like shown above, and be happy about it. we just took another 5-8" here in indiana and looks like an equal amount yet to come. even snares are worthless if you can`t get to them.
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Post by ToddMiller on Nov 15, 2005 11:57:27 GMT -6
Bob, Raining hard here with snow mixed in, it's headed your way. Sorry to bear bad news.
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Post by k9 on Nov 15, 2005 12:21:16 GMT -6
I like large loops but in Iowa am restricted to 8 inch loops. Would prefer 12 to 14 for coyotes.
Just keep in mind in a fence duck under situation a coyote is mentally prepared to be crowded. He has already committed to duck under that fence so a smaller loop there is less likely to be a problem.
However a coyote in an open trail situation is not mentally prepared to be crowded, so if legal larger loops are preferred and the snare should blend in to the area and be almost invisible.
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