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Post by JWarren on Oct 17, 2005 18:33:43 GMT -6
Anybody trap coyotes with #4 double longs? If you ran out of traps tommorrow and only had #4s left would you go ahead and set them?
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Post by Beaverspanker on Oct 17, 2005 18:44:19 GMT -6
Yea, just make sure the jaw ends are turned up.
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Post by trappnman on Oct 17, 2005 18:50:40 GMT -6
no- simply because my #4 dls are unmodified, and I first started coyote trapping with them- and could easily see- they would take a lot of mods to be usable (domestics and incidental concerns)
but- if I was trappin whwere there were just coyotes and no people, dogs, etc....set up right, I'd use them.
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Post by bobwendt on Oct 17, 2005 19:47:09 GMT -6
no.
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Post by 17HMR on Oct 17, 2005 19:50:28 GMT -6
About 1/3 of my traps are 4 dls, they really shine in snow sets, but use them all the time. Only draw back for me is the massive hole to bed one in the frozen dirt.
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Post by Bubber on Oct 17, 2005 20:53:52 GMT -6
We have a few mixed in with our #3s. They are old ones with cast jaws, I prefer to leave them for cats but have no qualms with setting them for coyotes.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Oct 18, 2005 1:55:09 GMT -6
Bob,
Aren't the jaws on a 4 long the same as victors softcatch? Without the rubber of course.
I agree however I don't care for the four as the foot slides a lot and cause cutting.
Joel
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Post by JWarren on Oct 18, 2005 17:58:18 GMT -6
Is it the thin jaws that cause the damage or the bulk and weight of the trap or both?
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Post by bobwendt on Oct 18, 2005 18:38:49 GMT -6
both
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Post by upcoyote on Oct 18, 2005 20:42:53 GMT -6
Makes a good beaver trap.....
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Post by lynxcat on Oct 18, 2005 21:00:54 GMT -6
ABSOLUTELY...but mine ARE modified...baseplated...laminated...offset...miles triggered...pan mod'd to take out slop/wobble...Set up this way they are VERY comproble to a coil spring trap WITH better holding power than most. I USE them for cats...but would NOT hesitate to use them on coyotes...last year I hooked 6 mountain lions..and held 5...ALL 5 were in modified #4's..The one that pulled out was in a 4 coiled dogless #4 Montgomery trap....NOT NECESSARILY a good thing...lol
later
lynx
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Post by bobwendt on Oct 19, 2005 2:25:20 GMT -6
I wouldn`t own one no matter what you do to them. simply am obsolete trap in todays world. what do those things weigh now, about 38 lbs each? I guess at least you could use the trap as a trap and a drag at the same time. or at least as a drag.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Oct 19, 2005 5:14:35 GMT -6
I'm still a big 3n fan still but I'm in somewhat of agreement with Bob on the #4's.
They are heavier than lead it seems sometimes. I baseplated most of mine and wish I wouldn't have.
I have had problems with cats chewing on their toes in the #4's as they can get in under the jaws.
Funny as it may seem I prefer modifying a longspring trigger asembly to a coilspring with a bolt and nut.
They also have the advantage of being able to use an oversize pan or shingle as the springs release from outside the jaws rather than underneath.
Joel
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Post by lynxcat on Oct 19, 2005 7:46:38 GMT -6
In my trading/swapping/buying/selling of traps I've ended up with the better part of 100 #4's...all virtually FREE.....IF I'd have been able to end up with the coils the same way...they'd all be coils  If they give you lemons...you dont make coffee with them!!! lol I DO have several hundred #3 coils...same in #2 coils..and about the same in 1 1/2 coils...so I'm NOT trap poor....just a poor trapper... later lynx |
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Post by bobwendt on Oct 19, 2005 7:59:28 GMT -6
I`d trade `em off or sell `em to some beaver trapper with a size 48 coat and a size 3 hat. If you do much trotting back in the boonies to trap cats I`d think the weight of those things would eventually break you down. just think, you could caryy 100 snares a roll of wire and a set of pliars in a pocket and weigh less than one of those behemouths.
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Post by Dusty on Oct 19, 2005 10:07:36 GMT -6
Yep, send me those nasty useless things. I don't catch many coyotes, but they're a great lynx trap. I'll even pay ya for em. Just don't make fun of my hat size (or the big pile of dead lynx....).
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Post by vttrapper on Oct 19, 2005 10:12:05 GMT -6
I have a few #4s and they are OK at best for coyote, but i will use them on the beaver line without pause.
frank
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Post by James on Oct 19, 2005 14:48:49 GMT -6
Some Alaska trappers I've talked to love those things. They claim the big DLS break through the ice and snow better than other types of traps.
Jim
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Post by Dusty on Oct 19, 2005 17:13:14 GMT -6
I don't know if they break through better, but they do freeze down less. And I can easily set em across my knee with beaver mittens on while standing on snowshoes, and they bed nice in a couple feet of powder. They're certainly one of the first things I set, and I'll buy more if anyone's selling.
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Post by MChewk on Oct 19, 2005 18:39:36 GMT -6
This ain't Alaska but I do agree with you guys, those big strong double longs do fair well in frozen ground conditions....especially the #4 Newhouse.
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