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Post by trappnman on Jul 10, 2004 6:53:13 GMT -6
It seems to me, that if you are at a flat set- that is a set with no obvious holes, attractors... that the coyote gets suspicious if something- 1 piece of the puzzle- is out of place.
The premise of a flat set is perfect blending..so something that sticks out is noticed...add in the new smells, maybe urine...and a coyote becomes distrustful and errs on the side of caution..he just won't step there... (hard stuff to try to verbalize!)
Its like if you TRY to hide something, and don't quite do it...a yote gets suspcious...
but put it all out there (stepdown) and he isn't as concerned- or maybe the urge to work the hole overrides the caution- as to work the hole- he MUST stepdown.
Interesting to note- that all 5 presenters at the Canine Day in PA used a type of trench set stepdown as one of their standard sets.
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Post by kevinupp on Jul 10, 2004 9:54:05 GMT -6
In that case NO.
There isn't a coyote that cannot be trapped.
I honestly believe that with a lot of patience, hard work, and some gray hairs, you should be able to, in the end, get him/her.
To borrow a line from Survivor You gotta Outwit, Outsmart, and Outlast it.
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Post by mattjones298 on Jul 10, 2004 12:04:16 GMT -6
here in the east i feel with alittle time and blind sets if all else fails any coyote can be taken if a man had a reason to catch it.
out west, i dont know
matt
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Post by Sage Dog on Jul 10, 2004 12:56:57 GMT -6
Sure you can if you put salt on his tail. lol
An ex-boxer named Murphy once told me he grabbed a coyote pup by the tail as it tried to run into a hole. He assured me he would never catch another one that way!
Seriously, unless you are on an ADC job catching shy coyotes isn't worth the time investment.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 11, 2004 6:49:17 GMT -6
I tried catching some half grown coon pups the same way...in fact...semi caught 4-5 of them...briefly...
I agree- in fur trapping, unless you are just messing around and have the time- its not worth trying for a truly shy coyote-
I find most truly shy coyotes simply avoid the area.
Matt- why the qualifier between east and west? Territory size?
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Post by mattjones298 on Jul 11, 2004 14:00:28 GMT -6
the east is a thick green country, lots of vegatation and coyote take trails often. out west where it`s 3 cows to a hundred or more acres i dont know how much coyotes use trails in an area.
why hell, my answer is i dont know...lol
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Post by Wackyquacker on Jul 11, 2004 14:29:37 GMT -6
3 cows per hundred acres? Not in my country...6-7 per section in much of NM. In the high country pastures often 10 per section.
Coyotes run trails out here just as much as any other area maybe more...they don't seem to be real fond of stickers.
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Post by Stef on Jul 11, 2004 15:06:20 GMT -6
I like that
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Post by Hornhunter on Jul 11, 2004 17:27:46 GMT -6
I don't trap long enough to mess with a problem coyote. Trap for about 2 weeks then pull to go deer hunting. But the snaring lasted for 4months. Smart coyotes after seeing another caught would visit from time to time, but never come In close. Sometimes getting up on a big rock to look the area over. So i'd sneak around and set snares further out. And had excellent results catching these strays. Sometimes It took a month or more. --Get all excited just thinking about It!--I'm a sick person.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 11, 2004 17:50:21 GMT -6
LOL- tell me about it! Seeing tracks, scat and occasionally a coyote when gopher trapping is getting me way pumped!
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Post by Planes & Poison on Jul 11, 2004 18:15:26 GMT -6
I'm going to add in one other factor that hasn't been mentioned that's affected me when pursuing specific coyotes that need to be caught, and that's access.
Two instances just this past spring that come to mind was a trio of coyotes that took a calf out of a rather high elevation pasture in March where the rancher was feeding daily. Problem in killing the coyotes was the minute they were out of the beat down cow pasture they were in rough canyon/cedar country cruising on 22" of crusted snow. It wasn't feasible to get them in the pasture due to the cattle. Crusted snow eliminated any trails to snare. Country was too rough to fly. And it's hard to call in that type of terrain.
I would suspect those coyotes would have been easy to kill, but conditions made it difficult to get them.
Another instance was in April when trying to get a pair of coyotes that were hanging around a band of sheep. No dead sheep on the ground, yet, but the rancher wanted them out for protection. I set and caught a younger coyote off the bat, but after that the coyotes moved about one mile away into extremely rough country. Steep canyons, cut ridges, dense cedar country. With the spring rains, I had to park my truck near the sheep and hike the rest of the way in. Each step brought up a clump of mud twice my shoe size. And carrying equipment in and out of there was borderline miserable. I ended up getting the other two, but they came hard.
I agree with what's been said before. Any coyote can be caught, but time, access, coyote-savvy and patience play a big role in success or failure.
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Post by Hornhunter on Jul 11, 2004 20:07:01 GMT -6
The crusted snow problem. No doubt our terain I s altogether different than whitemtncurs, Tharea Is mostly softwood. Snaring areas are small in size. A couple years ago we got a crust that even the moose where staying on top for a short distance. I figured there goeg the coyote snaring all to heck. But the catch actually picked up. I thought It was just luck untill I talked to two other snares. There catch had picked up also?? Really don't know why, maybe the yotes moved more, maybe they where able to cover more distance in the snaring areas?? I'm not talking record breaking mumbers. But when the catch should have dropped It Increased. So did the moose catch also!
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Post by Sage Dog on Jul 11, 2004 23:19:14 GMT -6
Matt, regarding Western coyotes taking trails.
I often snare coyotes in desert sage brush. The yotes pretty much stick to established trails until there is a few inches of snow on the ground. Then they go every which way; with ground litter covered practically every direction looks like a trail.
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Post by Furhandler on Jul 12, 2004 0:07:04 GMT -6
Time! - Time! - Time! and
Effort! - Effort! - Effort!
Anything can be caught, unless it dies on you before you catch it.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 12, 2004 7:25:50 GMT -6
or moves on...
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Post by z on Jul 12, 2004 8:03:56 GMT -6
And moves back.........
Eventually!
This spot held an attraction, If in the same area they WILL come back.........
Use your coyote carcasses (or parts of) to YOUR advantage.......
Persistant SOB's!
Zz!
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Post by MikeD on Jul 13, 2004 11:47:26 GMT -6
Wasn't going to respond to this but.......
Who has noticed a drop in problem canines after the fur boom?
My old partner and I seldom had problem canines, on our exclusive area, but found them more often on public access lands.
I think you can catch any animal if you have the TIME, EFFORT, and ABILITIES as said before. I mean if you make crappy sets every time no you won't catch that animal, but well made sets, with a few tweaks will get your animal.
One theory we never tried but did discuss, was if the problem animal associated the particular trappers odor as DANGER.
In which case if his partner made a set would it be more likely to catch the problem animal due to it not already being on alert do to association?
Mike
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Post by 3n on Jul 13, 2004 15:05:00 GMT -6
Slim Pedersen recently mentioned on trapperman that certain animals get to know him better than he knows himself and will shy away from his odor...he said it was best to make the sets and let them sit for several days and then return and lure the sets as quickly as possible and then stay away from the immediate area...even then it may take a month to catch that one paticular smart animal.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 13, 2004 16:18:36 GMT -6
3N- I have no doubt this is true. I am trapping gophers o nmost of the farms I later cooye trap- and the coyotes steal gophers from me on a daily basis.
I bleive I am just an easy meal to them...and in fur season- I get a few early ones that fondly remember my stink means food.
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