mifox
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Post by mifox on Jan 27, 2004 6:52:29 GMT -6
I didn't read any replies that said they used NO urine at dirt holes. I use it, and much like DJ88RYR. It is important to get a reliable source of good urine...fresh or aged. Someone mentioned retrieving urine from skinned foxes, and I do that too. There is usually very little to get because they've unloaded most of it at the catch site. I think that's what makes the catch circle such an attraction for "who's next!
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Post by musher on Jan 27, 2004 8:01:06 GMT -6
I'm careful in where I put in dirtholes because of urine. If I am not in a wide open, clear area urine turns a sure-fire fox set into a sure-fire snowshoe hare set!
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Post by jsevering on Jan 27, 2004 10:57:46 GMT -6
Just to throw food for thought in the mix, if a canine marks his territory by urination and a trapper uses collected urine at every set in effect is that trapper marking his set and presence (human scent or not), the further into season he traps ?
Would it matter the longer a trapper, trapped the same area, how about on new sets in the same new area, would you consider them marked. (or better yet the local canines)?
I could see if you were a high roller and targeting new areas every two to three weeks or so, how the advantage of not transporting catch circle debries for a new flat set or scooping pee out of the snow would be more to your advantage in the long run, with the squeeze of a bottle.
But what if your stuck in the same areas through out the season, and for lack of a better way to explain it the shuffle, is more like a crawl...jim
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Post by trappnman on Jan 27, 2004 12:50:44 GMT -6
Some good thoughts. My methods are to set up one loop for about 3 weeks- then pull about 1/2 of that loop and add another loop of about the same number of traps, leaving the central part on my line (and the best producing part) set up the entire 6 weeks. Do my methods change the longer I am there...no...not really. But should they? Maybe so. I am not much for adding traps to an already established area- but in a way will be doing that next season- that is, I'll be changing traps on a regular basis. Concerning buildup of urine and other odors. Many years ago I read a book called "He lived with Wolves" or somesuch- about a man that set up a tent in a wolf pack territory and lived there for many months. THe book was how the wolves accepted him- and part of that acceptance was his continually marking the scent posts with his own urine. But one thing I have learned about urine (Logan Research again ) is that it does not last. Certain chemical properties of urine evaporate and/or dissipate quickly. Estrogen qualities for example last only a few hours. So thats why we need to reapply urine often if we use it- just like canines are constantly renewing their marks. The only thing I know 100% about urine is this: a heavy misting of urine over the set will help disguise certain odors such as rust- and if not truly "disguise" then certainly nullify.
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Post by Zagman on Jan 27, 2004 13:09:01 GMT -6
since we are really thinking out of the box, and in some people's minds, over-thinking and over-complicating this.....
.....when we apply urine at a set that's from a collection pen of several canines, does one application of urine really seem like 2-15 fox took a leak there, since the urine is collected from multiple canines in cages?
hmmmmm..........
Yep, I'm bored.
Zag
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Post by trappnman on Jan 27, 2004 13:28:10 GMT -6
WHAT Now you are just crazy talkin'... You and me both know we love these debates! --------------------------------------------------------------------- My point exactly when we apply urine at a set that's from a collection pen of several canines, does one application of urine really seem like 2-15 fox took a leak there, since the urine is collected from multiple canines in cages?I can't see how. "Research" shows that individual properties evaporate- leaving the baisc chemicals of urine- which is why many recommend ANY type of urine as being the same. Yes, the faint vestiges of "canine" are there- but its more of a lure with certain properties than a suspicion remover. In fact, I haven't considered it a suspicion remover in years- but as a curiosity attractant. Does anyone scoop up fresh urine at a catch and transplant it to a neighboring set? I've done this a few times- can't say if it does much good or not. Save urine from year to year?
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Post by musher on Jan 27, 2004 13:42:46 GMT -6
T-man: Was that book by Farley Mowatt?
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Post by jsevering on Jan 28, 2004 6:26:31 GMT -6
wondering could those faint traces be genetic markers and such?
Dont scoop pee out of the dirt, dont know what else is there and figure as dumb as I am Id get mostly slobber or blood if there was any, but im like a kid in the candy shop with fresh pee on the snow(lol) jim
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